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    | This really is taking political correctness too far! What are they going | to do next?  Ban Christmas? They already have. now schools have "Winter Holiday" — Talesin- The Bad Boy of Witchcraft ™ "We will not have an all volunteer army!"                                                       – George W. Bush  http://home.kc.rr.com/pendragonsloft


  • i hate having to deal with other people's bs

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    Ms Pnoopie Pnats wrote: > In article <wj%Nc.74760$fv.5…@fe2.columbus.rr.com>, mi…@hotmail.com > says… >>If they were supposed to be getting the email and weren’t, they had >>every right to bitch at you regardless of intentions. I would probably >>be paranoid that I was being intentionally left out if something like >>this happened to me. >>-M > I didn’t know they were supposed to get the email.

    I understand that, I am just saying its expected that people will be a little indignant if they feel excluded. -M

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    In article <TofOc.2403$9Y6.1…@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net>, etma…@excite.com says… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> "Michaela" <michaelashouse> wrote in message > news:41095c2f.0@news1.mweb.co.za… > > allen wrote: > >   I see one executive almost every morning > > > as we walk into the building and I say hello every time (as I do to > > > everyone else that I walk in with) and this guy NEVER says hi in > > > return (just smiles and keeps walking). Its a small enough company > > > that everyone knows each other but apparently some people don’t > > > "deserve" to be acknowledged by him.  (Actually he occasionally says > > > hi, but only after I stopped for a while — I don’t know if thats > > > coincidence or not, but its interesting) > > I doubt it’s coincidence. I think he probably always noticed your > > presence and maybe saw you as relatively insignificant. You > > greeted him and reinforced his "superior" feeling. So he never > > felt he needed to make an effort with you. You stopping greeting > > him made him notice you. He didn’t like being ignored so he > > turned on the charm just enough to get you to start greeting him > > again. > > Does he greet you a little more often than he did before you > > stopped greeting him? > > – Michaela > No actually the last time he said something, I reversed roles.  I pretended > I didn’t hear him and I just kept on walking.  He hasn’t really said > anything to me now in a long time.  Its fine by me, it doesnt really bother > me on a personal level, I actually find it kind of funny.  It bothers me > more that someone can feel there that much superior to anyone else – I don’t > care what their title or job is…I mean a greeting is a normal fucking > human gesture.  For anyone to think there better than anyone else is a huge > insult.  I dont care if you’re the president of a country or a bum in the > street, everyone deserves at least a simple fucking response to a hello

    yep fuck em.

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    gray_lo…@hotmail.com (Gray Loser) wrote in news:b1b9d578.0407291104.22af5de2@posting.google.com: > Power corrupts (and people who energetically seek it out aren’t that > nice to begin with).

    Really, if you don’t like telling people what to do you wouldn’t be in "management" to begin with. — "You meet an old lesbian and suddenly it’s all sorcery and witchcraft." (Kiss Me, Kill Me.)

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    In article <Xns95362266A5B21fkjdlkvjcxoiuarep…@68.6.19.6>, a…@at.org says… > gray_lo…@hotmail.com (Gray Loser) wrote in > news:b1b9d578.0407291104.22af5de2@posting.google.com: > > Power corrupts (and people who energetically seek it out aren’t that > > nice to begin with). > Really, if you don’t like telling people what to do you wouldn’t be in > "management" to begin with.

    true. It really is something that people have to seek out. It is not like one day someone walks up to the person in the mailroom and says ok we have decided you will be a manager.

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    Ms Pnoopie Pnats <myblowupprejecte…@blowuppp.com> wrote in news:MPG.1b740937d6875731989978@news.alt.net: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> In article <Xns95362266A5B21fkjdlkvjcxoiuarep…@68.6.19.6>, a…@at.org > says… >> gray_lo…@hotmail.com (Gray Loser) wrote in >> news:b1b9d578.0407291104.22af5de2@posting.google.com: >> > Power corrupts (and people who energetically seek it out aren’t that >> > nice to begin with). >> Really, if you don’t like telling people what to do you wouldn’t be in >> "management" to begin with. > true. It really is something that people have to seek out. It is not > like one day someone walks up to the person in the mailroom and says ok > we have decided you will be a manager.

    Not everyone who goes into management is a dink…but there’s a few.  I’m told the fed. goverenment is really terrible now, at least where my friend works.

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    "Eerieness of the Short-Distance Rodent" <a…@at.org> wrote in message <news:Xns95363D9ACD86Cfkjdlkvjcxoiuarepoij@68.6.19.6>… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Ms Pnoopie Pnats <myblowupprejecte…@blowuppp.com> wrote in > news:MPG.1b740937d6875731989978@news.alt.net: > > In article <Xns95362266A5B21fkjdlkvjcxoiuarep…@68.6.19.6>, a…@at.org > > says… > >> gray_lo…@hotmail.com (Gray Loser) wrote in > >> news:b1b9d578.0407291104.22af5de2@posting.google.com: > >> > Power corrupts (and people who energetically seek it out aren’t that > >> > nice to begin with). > >> Really, if you don’t like telling people what to do you wouldn’t be in > >> "management" to begin with. > > true. It really is something that people have to seek out. It is not > > like one day someone walks up to the person in the mailroom and says ok > > we have decided you will be a manager. > Not everyone who goes into management is a dink…but there’s a few.

    There are also plenty of dinks in the trenches.  But being in a position of power highlights one’s dinkiness even more.

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    > Why can’t people just do their fucking job and do a good job at it > instead of playing pass the buck? I think it is easier to do a good job > in a timely manner than to fuck around with it.

    Because most people aren’t used to doing work. They’re used to making it *look like* they’re doing work, because people reward you for work that they see you doing. They have zero concept of a bigger picture other than figuring out how to do less work. Have you noticed that whenever co-workers complain about something or address a perceived problem, their solution involves them doing less work? > Why does the executives treat people like dirt? This one guy only talks > to his fellow cronies and he ignores most other employees.

    He has no concept of leadership or motivation. KC

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    gray_lo…@hotmail.com (Gray Loser) wrote in news:b1b9d578.0407301125.52d92d74@posting.google.com: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> "Eerieness of the Short-Distance Rodent" <a…@at.org> wrote in message > <news:Xns95363D9ACD86Cfkjdlkvjcxoiuarepoij@68.6.19.6>… >> Ms Pnoopie Pnats <myblowupprejecte…@blowuppp.com> wrote in >> news:MPG.1b740937d6875731989978@news.alt.net: >> > In article <Xns95362266A5B21fkjdlkvjcxoiuarep…@68.6.19.6>, >> > a…@at.org says… >> >> gray_lo…@hotmail.com (Gray Loser) wrote in >> >> news:b1b9d578.0407291104.22af5de2@posting.google.com: >> >> > Power corrupts (and people who energetically seek it out aren’t >> >> > that nice to begin with). >> >> Really, if you don’t like telling people what to do you wouldn’t >> >> be in "management" to begin with. >> > true. It really is something that people have to seek out. It is >> > not like one day someone walks up to the person in the mailroom and >> > says ok we have decided you will be a manager. >> Not everyone who goes into management is a dink…but there’s a few. > There are also plenty of dinks in the trenches.  But being in a > position of power highlights one’s dinkiness even more.

    Good point. — "You meet an old lesbian and suddenly it’s all sorcery and witchcraft." (Kiss Me, Kill Me.)

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    I guess I just don’t like to be bothered by people. Like at work why do people get their panties in a wad over the stupidest things? Why can’t people at work just ask directly for what they want? Why do people have to be so jealous of others. It is obvious that through those fakey work smiles people are jealous of each other. Why can’t people just do their fucking job and do a good job at it instead of playing pass the buck? I think it is easier to do a good job in a timely manner than to fuck around with it. Why does the executives treat people like dirt? This one guy only talks to his fellow cronies and he ignores most other employees.

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    "Ms Pnoopie Pnats" <myblowupprejecte…@blowuppp.com> wrote in message news:MPG.1b7207d77beaa0a498994a@news.alt.net… > I guess I just don’t like to be bothered by people. > Like at work why do people get their panties in a wad over the stupidest > things?

    I don’t understand this one, I’ve had a guy bitch at me to no end because I rebuilt his hard drive that died on him, and, while I set everything up nearly identical to the way he had it….I had the nerve to forget his custom new mail sound file (heaven forbid!).  I’ve had an entire department at work bitch at me for a week because I added (at the boss’ request) the company logo to all outbound email messages. > Why does the executives treat people like dirt? This one guy only talks > to his fellow cronies and he ignores most other employees.

    All of the other ones that you listed bother me too, but this one especially pisses me off.  I see one executive almost every morning as we walk into the building and I say hello every time (as I do to everyone else that I walk in with) and this guy NEVER says hi in return (just smiles and keeps walking). Its a small enough company that everyone knows each other but apparently some people don’t "deserve" to be acknowledged by him.  (Actually he occasionally says hi, but only after I stopped for a while — I don’t know if thats coincidence or not, but its interesting)

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    In article <soXNc.1583$9Y6….@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net>, etma…@excite.com says… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> "Ms Pnoopie Pnats" <myblowupprejecte…@blowuppp.com> wrote in message > news:MPG.1b7207d77beaa0a498994a@news.alt.net… > > I guess I just don’t like to be bothered by people. > > Like at work why do people get their panties in a wad over the stupidest > > things? > I don’t understand this one, I’ve had a guy bitch at me to no end because I > rebuilt his hard drive that died on him, and, while I set everything up > nearly identical to the way he had it….I had the nerve to forget his > custom new mail sound file (heaven forbid!).  I’ve had an entire department > at work bitch at me for a week because I added (at the boss’ request) the > company logo to all outbound email messages. > > Why does the executives treat people like dirt? This one guy only talks > > to his fellow cronies and he ignores most other employees. > All of the other ones that you listed bother me too, but this one especially > pisses me off.  I see one executive almost every morning as we walk into the > building and I say hello every time (as I do to everyone else that I walk in > with) and this guy NEVER says hi in return (just smiles and keeps walking). > Its a small enough company that everyone knows each other but apparently > some people don’t "deserve" to be acknowledged by him.  (Actually he > occasionally says hi, but only after I stopped for a while — I don’t know > if thats coincidence or not, but its interesting)

    yeah that is how this guy is except I can’t recall him ever saying hi back. he just walks by with a scowl on his face. I just ignore him now. it must suck to be him.

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    poopie said: <snip> beautiful.  and indeed: what the fuck? – k i t z – "Some people thought The Blair Witch Project was a documentary… some people are RETARDED." http://www.livejournal.com/users/kitznegari

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    > I’ve had an entire department >at work bitch at me for a week because I added (at the boss’ request) the >company logo to all outbound email messages.

    people are so trivial.  like at the nursing home i worked at.  we were losing money because the staff was ignorant and negligent towards the patients, so how did they decide to solve it?  paint and redecorate the entry way. WHAT?! needless to say, it was expensive and stupid.  oh yeah, AND it didn’t work. – k i t z – "Some people thought The Blair Witch Project was a documentary… some people are RETARDED." http://www.livejournal.com/users/kitznegari

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    In article <20040728221135.03855.00001…@mb-m19.aol.com>, kitzneg…@aol.com says… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> > I’ve had an entire department > >at work bitch at me for a week because I added (at the boss’ request) the > >company logo to all outbound email messages. > people are so trivial.  like at the nursing home i worked at.  we were losing > money because the staff was ignorant and negligent towards the patients, so how > did they decide to solve it?  paint and redecorate the entry way. > WHAT?! > needless to say, it was expensive and stupid.  oh yeah, AND it didn’t work. > – k i t z – > "Some people thought The Blair Witch Project > was a documentary… some people are RETARDED." > http://www.livejournal.com/users/kitznegari

    how fucking stupd! I wonder if the people who make those kind of fucked up decision were born stupid or they just developed their fucked up ness over time. I had people bitch at me for leaving them out of an email. It wasn’t intentional.

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    >I wonder if the people who make those kind of fucked up decision were >born stupid or they just developed their fucked up ness over time.

    office situations make me mad in the head.  i leave for the day feeling as if i’d like to rip everyone’s head off and replace it with a turd since that’s how useful they are to me for the most part.  like, the bit where i have to say the same goddam thing to each person 3 times because they’re braindead nitwits. the part where everyone wants an explanation for everything and they don’t realize that i’ve been over this 20 times already today.  the pettiness and the politics and the bickering and backbiting.  i just can’t stand it. >I had people bitch at me for leaving them out of an email. It wasn’t >intentional.

    grow up people.  how can you waste your life being angry about something so idiotic? – k i t z – "Some people thought The Blair Witch Project was a documentary… some people are RETARDED." http://www.livejournal.com/users/kitznegari

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    - Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Ms Pnoopie Pnats wrote: > In article <20040728221135.03855.00001…@mb-m19.aol.com>, > kitzneg…@aol.com says… >>>I’ve had an entire department >>>at work bitch at me for a week because I added (at the boss’ request) the >>>company logo to all outbound email messages. >>people are so trivial.  like at the nursing home i worked at.  we were losing >>money because the staff was ignorant and negligent towards the patients, so how >>did they decide to solve it?  paint and redecorate the entry way. >>WHAT?! >>needless to say, it was expensive and stupid.  oh yeah, AND it didn’t work. >>- k i t z – >>"Some people thought The Blair Witch Project >>was a documentary… some people are RETARDED." >>http://www.livejournal.com/users/kitznegari > how fucking stupd! > I wonder if the people who make those kind of fucked up decision were > born stupid or they just developed their fucked up ness over time. > I had people bitch at me for leaving them out of an email. It wasn’t > intentional.

    If they were supposed to be getting the email and weren’t, they had every right to bitch at you regardless of intentions. I would probably be paranoid that I was being intentionally left out if something like this happened to me. -M

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    Ms Pnoopie Pnats <myblowupprejecte…@blowuppp.com> in news:MPG.1b7207d77beaa0a498994a@news.alt.net: > I guess I just don’t like to be bothered by people. > Like at work why do people get their panties in a wad over the stupidest > things? > Why can’t people at work just ask directly for what they want? > Why do people have to be so jealous of others. It is obvious that > through those fakey work smiles people are jealous of each other.

    just put on a grouchy face, and frown, frown, frown > Why can’t people just do their fucking job and do a good job at it > instead of playing pass the buck?

    maybe they don’t enjoy fucking the people they’re supposed to be fucking?  :> I think it is easier to do a good job > in a timely manner than to fuck around with it. > Why does the executives treat people like dirt?

    it’s their job, career, and life’s calling…. This one guy only talks – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> to his fellow cronies and he ignores most other employees.

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    Ms Pnoopie Pnats <myblowupprejecte…@blowuppp.com> wrote in message <news:MPG.1b7207d77beaa0a498994a@news.alt.net>… > I guess I just don’t like to be bothered by people.

    That’s why we hang around ASS > Like at work why do people get their panties in a wad over the stupidest > things?

    If you experience this only at work, you’re lucky. It’s all over. Ex.: ever get flipped off on the road for the slightest thing? > Why can’t people at work just ask directly for what they want?

    They probably have neither the right nor the authority to do so > Why do people have to be so jealous of others. It is obvious that > through those fakey work smiles people are jealous of each other.

    Again, if you experience this only at work, you’re lucky. Look, aren’t most of the guys here jealous of those who can attract women? (though there are no fakey smiles here) > Why can’t people just do their fucking job and do a good job at it > instead of playing pass the buck? I think it is easier to do a good job > in a timely manner than to fuck around with it.

    Everyone screws up. Very few accept responsibility. Especially suits. > Why does the executives treat people like dirt? This one guy only talks > to his fellow cronies and he ignores most other employees.

    You would prefer then he give you a fakey work smile? Make up your mind! He’s that way because nice guys finish last – it’s true. As I have posted here before, companies are NOT meritocracies. The climb up the corporate ladder is political in nature, and all that goes with it (backstabbing, cronyism, etc). If they do speak to you, be prepared to be blatently lied to. I have experienced this first hand. Kill or be killed, eat or be eaten. Few "nice" guys hack this. There’s too much money at stake. -jww

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    - Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -allen wrote: > "Michaela" wrote >> allen wrote: >>   I see one executive almost every morning >>> as we walk into the building and I say hello every time (as I do to >>> everyone else that I walk in with) and this guy NEVER says hi in >>> return (just smiles and keeps walking). Its a small enough company >>> that everyone knows each other but apparently some people don’t >>> "deserve" to be acknowledged by him.  (Actually he occasionally says >>> hi, but only after I stopped for a while — I don’t know if thats >>> coincidence or not, but its interesting) >> I doubt it’s coincidence. I think he probably always noticed your >> presence and maybe saw you as relatively insignificant. You >> greeted him and reinforced his "superior" feeling. So he never >> felt he needed to make an effort with you. You stopping greeting >> him made him notice you. He didn’t like being ignored so he >> turned on the charm just enough to get you to start greeting him >> again. >> Does he greet you a little more often than he did before you >> stopped greeting him? >> – Michaela > No actually the last time he said something, I reversed roles.  I > pretended I didn’t hear him and I just kept on walking.

    Perfect!   He hasn’t > really said anything to me now in a long time.

    If it’s a power game he’s playing, it seems he plays the game well … I’d like to make a suggestion: experiment with this game of not greeting and greeting people and watch what happens. But don’t expect an immediate change in their behaviour. If you start/stop greeting, keep it up for quite a while before you change your game. You might think "No. I don’t want to play games." but it’ll be well worth the exercise if you want to understand something that I think is important about human nature. If you truly don’t want to play games, at least watch your own reactions when different people do and don’t greet you.   Its fine by me, it > doesnt really bother me on a personal level, I actually find it kind > of funny.  It bothers me more that someone can feel there that much > superior to anyone else – I don’t care what their title or job is…I > mean a greeting is a normal fucking human gesture.  For anyone to > think there better than anyone else is a huge insult.  I dont care if > you’re the president of a country or a bum in the street, everyone > deserves at least a simple fucking response to a hello

    And now I’m going to seemingly contradict myself. Allen, you’ll probably scoff now, but one day (if you are lucky that is) you are going to find yourself in the exact same position as this exec. No, I’m not saying that you’re going to be a snobby exec. What I’m saying is that you might suddenly realise that you do the exact same thing to someone else as that exec has done to you. Only, when you do it you’re going to have a "good reason" for it. And this is the part that is going to decide if you’re lucky or not: suddenly you’ll realise that you may have been doing it a lot more times than you ever realised you’d done it before. And then you’ll be able to see it from both points of view and it won’t matter anymore. (HTMS – I wanted to respond, but I’m not "all here" at the mo.) – Michaela

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    "Michaela" <michaelashouse> wrote in message

    news:41095c2f.0@news1.mweb.co.za… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> allen wrote: >   I see one executive almost every morning > > as we walk into the building and I say hello every time (as I do to > > everyone else that I walk in with) and this guy NEVER says hi in > > return (just smiles and keeps walking). Its a small enough company > > that everyone knows each other but apparently some people don’t > > "deserve" to be acknowledged by him.  (Actually he occasionally says > > hi, but only after I stopped for a while — I don’t know if thats > > coincidence or not, but its interesting) > I doubt it’s coincidence. I think he probably always noticed your > presence and maybe saw you as relatively insignificant. You > greeted him and reinforced his "superior" feeling. So he never > felt he needed to make an effort with you. You stopping greeting > him made him notice you. He didn’t like being ignored so he > turned on the charm just enough to get you to start greeting him > again. > Does he greet you a little more often than he did before you > stopped greeting him? > – Michaela

    No actually the last time he said something, I reversed roles.  I pretended I didn’t hear him and I just kept on walking.  He hasn’t really said anything to me now in a long time.  Its fine by me, it doesnt really bother me on a personal level, I actually find it kind of funny.  It bothers me more that someone can feel there that much superior to anyone else – I don’t care what their title or job is…I mean a greeting is a normal fucking human gesture.  For anyone to think there better than anyone else is a huge insult.  I dont care if you’re the president of a country or a bum in the street, everyone deserves at least a simple fucking response to a hello

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    In article <wj%Nc.74760$fv.5…@fe2.columbus.rr.com>, mi…@hotmail.com says… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Ms Pnoopie Pnats wrote: > > In article <20040728221135.03855.00001…@mb-m19.aol.com>, > > kitzneg…@aol.com says… > >>>I’ve had an entire department > >>>at work bitch at me for a week because I added (at the boss’ request) the > >>>company logo to all outbound email messages. > >>people are so trivial.  like at the nursing home i worked at.  we were losing > >>money because the staff was ignorant and negligent towards the patients, so how > >>did they decide to solve it?  paint and redecorate the entry way. > >>WHAT?! > >>needless to say, it was expensive and stupid.  oh yeah, AND it didn’t work. > >>- k i t z – > >>"Some people thought The Blair Witch Project > >>was a documentary… some people are RETARDED." > >>http://www.livejournal.com/users/kitznegari > > how fucking stupd! > > I wonder if the people who make those kind of fucked up decision were > > born stupid or they just developed their fucked up ness over time. > > I had people bitch at me for leaving them out of an email. It wasn’t > > intentional. > If they were supposed to be getting the email and weren’t, they had > every right to bitch at you regardless of intentions. I would probably > be paranoid that I was being intentionally left out if something like > this happened to me. > -M

    I didn’t know they were supposed to get the email.

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    allen wrote:

      I see one executive almost every morning > as we walk into the building and I say hello every time (as I do to > everyone else that I walk in with) and this guy NEVER says hi in > return (just smiles and keeps walking). Its a small enough company > that everyone knows each other but apparently some people don’t > "deserve" to be acknowledged by him.  (Actually he occasionally says > hi, but only after I stopped for a while — I don’t know if thats > coincidence or not, but its interesting)

    I doubt it’s coincidence. I think he probably always noticed your presence and maybe saw you as relatively insignificant. You greeted him and reinforced his "superior" feeling. So he never felt he needed to make an effort with you. You stopping greeting him made him notice you. He didn’t like being ignored so he turned on the charm just enough to get you to start greeting him again. Does he greet you a little more often than he did before you stopped greeting him? – Michaela

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    kitzneg…@aol.com (kitznegari thinks it has wings) wrote in news:20040728224205.03855.00001533@mb-m19.aol.com: > office situations make me mad in the head.  

    <snip> > grow up people.  how can you waste your life being angry about > something so idiotic?

    :) -phy

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    Ms Pnoopie Pnats <myblowupprejecte…@blowuppp.com> wrote in message <news:MPG.1b7207d77beaa0a498994a@news.alt.net>… > I guess I just don’t like to be bothered by people.

    Work (n.; wurk): a bunch of people who don’t really want to work together yet are forced to. > Like at work why do people get their panties in a wad over the stupidest > things? > Why can’t people at work just ask directly for what they want?

    I wonder about that about people in general, not just at work. Instead of dropping hints and then feeling alienated/pissed when I prove oblivious, why not just tell me what they want directly?  I’m usually accommodating, "nice guy" that I am. > Why do people have to be so jealous of others. It is obvious that > through those fakey work smiles people are jealous of each other.

    I’ve (mostly) been in relatively non-hierarchal jobs, with at most one supervisor who’s in charge of a bunchof underlings.  Not much room for jealousy there (although I suppose some want the super’s job).  I can only imagine what sort of jealousies you get in a full-blown corporate setting. > Why can’t people just do their fucking job and do a good job at it > instead of playing pass the buck? I think it is easier to do a good job > in a timely manner than to fuck around with it. > Why does the executives treat people like dirt? This one guy only talks > to his fellow cronies and he ignores most other employees.

    Power corrupts (and people who energetically seek it out aren’t that nice to begin with).

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    kitzneg…@aol.com (kitznegari thinks it has wings) wrote in news:20040728221135.03855.00001526@mb-m19.aol.com: > people are so trivial.  like at the nursing home i worked at.  we were > losing money because the staff was ignorant and negligent towards the > patients, so how did they decide to solve it?  paint and redecorate > the entry way. > WHAT?! > needless to say, it was expensive and stupid.  oh yeah, AND it didn’t > work.

    I know why they did it that way. It was easier than making you all be less ignorant and more attentive towards the patient. -phy

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  • What A Time For Mercury To Go Retrograde – Ouch!

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    ~October’s going to be a frustrating month for everyone once Mercury goes ~stationary retrograde on the 2nd. Look for missed communications, ~computer foul-ups, and chaotic energy in general. Pay particular ~attention to October 23rd. It’s the last day of Mercury’s retrograde ~period, when it trines Saturn in retrograde, as the Sun moves into ~Scorpio. And above all, avoid travel. Mercury, Saturn, Uranus and ~Neptune will all be retrograde in air signs. ~ ~All of the above is bad enough during peace time, but I’m especially ~concerned with the effect it might have on the war effort, overseas and ~here at home. Whoa!! A friend of mine was telling me about all these retrogrades a couple weeks ago.  I know the fall is going to be a rough time. Laura! Liberate from the rocks and rubble Living souls to live some more. Reconciliation of souls longing and to families, loved ones restore. OCC co-founder www.knology.net/~vanda www.catatonicstudios.com

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    – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – ~October’s going to be a frustrating month for everyone once Mercury goes ~stationary retrograde on the 2nd. Look for missed communications, ~computer foul-ups, and chaotic energy in general. Pay particular ~attention to October 23rd. It’s the last day of Mercury’s retrograde ~period, when it trines Saturn in retrograde, as the Sun moves into ~Scorpio. And above all, avoid travel. Mercury, Saturn, Uranus and ~Neptune will all be retrograde in air signs. ~ ~All of the above is bad enough during peace time, but I’m especially ~concerned with the effect it might have on the war effort, overseas and ~here at home. Whoa!! A friend of mine was telling me about all these retrogrades a couple weeks ago.  I know the fall is going to be a rough time.

    It already is. jules — Remove the last me to mail me — To hold a pen is to be at war. –Voltaire

    Response:

    October’s going to be a frustrating month for everyone

    This is complete nonsense. There is no evidence you have any idea what you are talking about. – Chive Science is not belief, but the will to find out.

    Response:

    - Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – ~October’s going to be a frustrating month for everyone once Mercury goes ~stationary retrograde on the 2nd. Look for missed communications, ~computer foul-ups, and chaotic energy in general. Pay particular ~attention to October 23rd. It’s the last day of Mercury’s retrograde ~period, when it trines Saturn in retrograde, as the Sun moves into ~Scorpio. And above all, avoid travel. Mercury, Saturn, Uranus and ~Neptune will all be retrograde in air signs. ~ ~All of the above is bad enough during peace time, but I’m especially ~concerned with the effect it might have on the war effort, overseas and ~here at home. Whoa!! A friend of mine was telling me about all these retrogrades a couple weeks ago.  I know the fall is going to be a rough time. Laura!

    No, you don’t know anything of the sort. This is the kind of thing that happens when people believe in things uncritically. Pure and total nonsense. – Chive Science is not belief, but the will to find out.

    Response:

    Science and belief operate in different spheres. You have the option of picking one, both, or neither, and living accordingly. Don’t denigrate others’ choices, if they don’t affect you. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – October’s going to be a frustrating month for everyone This is complete nonsense. There is no evidence you have any idea what you are talking about. – Chive Science is not belief, but the will to find out.

    Response:

    October’s going to be a frustrating month for everyone This is complete nonsense. There is no evidence you have any idea what you are talking about.

    By all means, fly during October. Fly every week to disprove and dispell our concerns. Do something constructive with your life, Chive, and volunteer for duty overseas, OK? Caliban – Chive Science is not belief, but the will to find out.

    – Looking upward, we contemplate the signs in the heavens; looking down we examine the lines of the earth. Since in this way man comes to resemble heaven and earth, he is not in conflict with them. – Ta Chuan

    Response:

    October’s going to be a frustrating month for everyone This is complete nonsense. There is no evidence you have any idea what you are talking about.

    A quality you continue to demonstrate with great ability… — Casey & Finnigan – purveyors of fine Single Malt Highland whisky brewed on the wild west coast of Canada in a MacUisdin bathtub "I’m sick of this room and everyone in it!" – Bender Dopeler effect:  The tendency of stupid ideas to seem smarter when they come at you rapidly.  ~Author unknown "Everything’s gone wrong since Canada came along!" – MAC (Mothers Against Canada)

    Response:

    October’s going to be a frustrating month for everyone This is complete nonsense. There is no evidence you have any idea what you are talking about. A quality you continue to demonstrate with great ability…

    Troll. – Chive Science is not belief, but the will to find out.

    Response:

    finger to key and barely tapped out:

    ~ ~ ~ ~October’s going to be a frustrating month for everyone once Mercury ~ goes ~ ~stationary retrograde on the 2nd. Look for missed communications, ~ ~computer foul-ups, and chaotic energy in general. Pay particular ~ ~attention to October 23rd. It’s the last day of Mercury’s retrograde ~ ~period, when it trines Saturn in retrograde, as the Sun moves into ~ ~Scorpio. And above all, avoid travel. Mercury, Saturn, Uranus and ~ ~Neptune will all be retrograde in air signs. ~ ~ ~ ~All of the above is bad enough during peace time, but I’m especially ~ ~concerned with the effect it might have on the war effort, overseas ~ and ~ ~here at home. ~ ~ Whoa!! ~ A friend of mine was telling me about all these retrogrades a couple ~ weeks ago.  I know the fall is going to be a rough time. ~ ~It already is. Good point Jules.  Thank you. I just figured it could get worse. Laura! Liberate from the rocks and rubble Living souls to live some more. Reconciliation of souls longing and to families, loved ones restore. OCC co-founder www.knology.net/~vanda www.catatonicstudios.com

    Response:

    put finger to key and barely tapped out:

    ~ ~ ~October’s going to be a frustrating month for everyone once Mercury ~ goes ~ ~stationary retrograde on the 2nd. Look for missed communications, ~ ~computer foul-ups, and chaotic energy in general. Pay particular ~ ~attention to October 23rd. It’s the last day of Mercury’s retrograde ~ ~period, when it trines Saturn in retrograde, as the Sun moves into ~ ~Scorpio. And above all, avoid travel. Mercury, Saturn, Uranus and ~ ~Neptune will all be retrograde in air signs. ~ ~ ~ ~All of the above is bad enough during peace time, but I’m especially ~ ~concerned with the effect it might have on the war effort, overseas ~ and ~ ~here at home. ~ ~ Whoa!! ~ A friend of mine was telling me about all these retrogrades a couple ~ weeks ago.  I know the fall is going to be a rough time. ~ Laura! ~ ~No, you don’t know anything of the sort. ~ ~This is the kind of thing that happens when people believe in ~things uncritically. ~ yup. asking for proof…again. We have no "proof" he’s a baboon with typing capabilities…but I doubt many would dispute it ;) Laura! Liberate from the rocks and rubble Living souls to live some more. Reconciliation of souls longing and to families, loved ones restore. OCC co-founder www.knology.net/~vanda www.catatonicstudios.com

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    October’s going to be a frustrating month for everyone This is complete nonsense. There is no evidence you have any idea what you are talking about. A quality you continue to demonstrate with great ability… Troll.

    You even have the ability to pout when you type. Admirable. — Casey & Finnigan – purveyors of fine Single Malt Highland whisky brewed on the wild west coast of Canada in a MacUisdin bathtub "I’m sick of this room and everyone in it!" – Bender Dopeler effect:  The tendency of stupid ideas to seem smarter when they come at you rapidly.  ~Author unknown "Everything’s gone wrong since Canada came along!" – MAC (Mothers Against Canada)

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    – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – October’s going to be a frustrating month for everyone This is complete nonsense. There is no evidence you have any idea what you are talking about. A quality you continue to demonstrate with great ability… Troll. You even have the ability to pout when you type. Admirable.

    What’s the matter troll?  All alone and nobody to talk to? How sad. – Chive Science is not belief, but the will to find out.

    Response:

    October’s going to be a frustrating month for everyone once Mercury goes stationary retrograde on the 2nd.

    Oh how fucking silly.  Hasn’t anybody ever informed you that the planets don’t have anything to do with human activities — aside from Earth, that is.  And if you don’t know it, you’re living on Earth. Good frocking grief.  Some people never climbed out of the 14′th Century. — http://www.SkepticTank.ORG/  http://www.KeithHenson.ORG/ http://www.SkepticFiles.ORG/ http://www.SlatkinFraud.COM/ http://www.RaulLopez.ORG/ http://www.RonTheNut.ORG/ http://www.BobMinton.ORG/ http://www.CrackPots.ORG/ http://www.ToryMagoo.ORG/ http://www.HolySmoke.ORG/ http://www.Xenu.NET/ http://www.Raids.ORG/ http://www.Nots.ORG/ http://www.MoneyCult.ORG/

    Response:

    - Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – ~October’s going to be a frustrating month for everyone once Mercury goes ~stationary retrograde on the 2nd. Look for missed communications, ~computer foul-ups, and chaotic energy in general. Pay particular ~attention to October 23rd. It’s the last day of Mercury’s retrograde ~period, when it trines Saturn in retrograde, as the Sun moves into ~Scorpio. And above all, avoid travel. Mercury, Saturn, Uranus and ~Neptune will all be retrograde in air signs. ~All of the above is bad enough during peace time, but I’m especially ~concerned with the effect it might have on the war effort, overseas and ~here at home. Whoa!! A friend of mine was telling me about all these retrogrades a couple weeks ago.  I know the fall is going to be a rough time. It already is.

    It _often_ is.  And planets being in retrograde or not has never had anything to do with it. — http://www.SkepticTank.ORG/  http://www.KeithHenson.ORG/ http://www.SkepticFiles.ORG/ http://www.SlatkinFraud.COM/ http://www.RaulLopez.ORG/ http://www.RonTheNut.ORG/ http://www.BobMinton.ORG/ http://www.CrackPots.ORG/ http://www.ToryMagoo.ORG/ http://www.HolySmoke.ORG/ http://www.Xenu.NET/ http://www.Raids.ORG/ http://www.Nots.ORG/ http://www.MoneyCult.ORG/

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    - Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – | ~October’s going to be a frustrating month for everyone once Mercury goes | ~stationary retrograde on the 2nd. Look for missed communications, | ~computer foul-ups, and chaotic energy in general. Like missed communications and computer foul-ups don’t happen everyday no matter where Murcury is or what direction it ’seems’ to be traveling in. | ~ Pay particular | ~attention to October 23rd. It’s the last day of Mercury’s retrograde | ~period, when it trines Saturn in retrograde, as the Sun moves into | ~Scorpio. And above all, avoid travel. Mercury, Saturn, Uranus and | ~Neptune will all be retrograde in air signs. Travel of any kind alwyas has risk involved.  Have you any proof that it is more dangerous during these times than any other?, or are you just blowing smoke out of your ass? I’ll be flying to Adelaide next week. Then I spend a lot of time flying to Melbourne Perth and Brisbane right up till October 25th. I’ll report in from time to time as to how each of my trips went.

    When you fail to report back, we’ll know that the planet Mars go you.  <giggle  God, what morons astrologers can be some times. — http://www.SkepticTank.ORG/  http://www.KeithHenson.ORG/ http://www.SkepticFiles.ORG/ http://www.SlatkinFraud.COM/ http://www.RaulLopez.ORG/ http://www.RonTheNut.ORG/ http://www.BobMinton.ORG/ http://www.CrackPots.ORG/ http://www.ToryMagoo.ORG/ http://www.HolySmoke.ORG/ http://www.Xenu.NET/ http://www.Raids.ORG/ http://www.Nots.ORG/ http://www.MoneyCult.ORG/

    Response:

    but got this instead: Science and belief operate in different spheres. You have the option of picking one, both, or neither, and living accordingly. Don’t denigrate others’ choices, if they don’t affect you. When believers claim they have scientific evidence to support their religious notions, they get to get debunked. Don’t like it?  Tough.  Pretending that the truth is some how "denigrading" is a supreme cop-out.

    Precisely.  For example, while I happen to be a Wiccan myself, an’ believe in Goddess with all my heart, I would *never* try to claim that I had scientific evidence of Her existence.  For one thing, it ain’t no skin off my nose *what* other people believe, unless o’ course they’re looped into something damaging like Scientology.   An’ while Goddess is right for me, I’m perfectly aware that She isn’t right for *everybody*. — Lorrill Buyens "A load of steaming horse shit could indeed keep a human afloat, for a tall enough and broad enough load of steaming horse shit."  - Timothy McDaniel, defining waste-product dynamics in AFU Support the Jayne Hitchcock HELP Fund http://www.geocities.com/hollywood/6172/helpjane.htm

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    – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – | | | ~October’s going to be a frustrating month for everyone once Mercury | goes | ~stationary retrograde on the 2nd. Look for missed communications, | ~computer foul-ups, and chaotic energy in general. Like missed communications and computer foul-ups don’t happen everyday no matter where Murcury is or what direction it ’seems’ to be traveling in. | ~ Pay particular | ~attention to October 23rd. It’s the last day of Mercury’s retrograde | ~period, when it trines Saturn in retrograde, as the Sun moves into | ~Scorpio. And above all, avoid travel. Mercury, Saturn, Uranus and | ~Neptune will all be retrograde in air signs. Travel of any kind alwyas has risk involved.  Have you any proof that it is more dangerous during these times than any other?, or are you just blowing smoke out of your ass?

    I’ll be flying to Adelaide next week. Then I spend a lot of time flying to Melbourne Perth and Brisbane right up till October 25th. I’ll report in from time to time as to how each of my trips went. — Find out about Australia’s most dangerous Doomsday Cult: http://users.bigpond.net.au/wanglese/pebble.htm "You can’t fool me, it’s turtles all the way down."

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    October’s going to be a frustrating month for everyone This is complete nonsense. There is no evidence you have any idea what you are talking about.

    It’s like saying, "There’s going to be trouble in the Middle East" or "there will be earthquakes in California."  Well duh!  And we get them whether there are planets in retrograde or not. — http://www.SkepticTank.ORG/  http://www.KeithHenson.ORG/ http://www.SkepticFiles.ORG/ http://www.SlatkinFraud.COM/ http://www.RaulLopez.ORG/ http://www.RonTheNut.ORG/ http://www.BobMinton.ORG/ http://www.CrackPots.ORG/ http://www.ToryMagoo.ORG/ http://www.HolySmoke.ORG/ http://www.Xenu.NET/ http://www.Raids.ORG/ http://www.Nots.ORG/ http://www.MoneyCult.ORG/

    Response:

    As if things are not bad enough, not looking forward to this one. Marie

    Response:

    As if things are not bad enough, not looking forward to this one. Marie

    That’s for sure. Good luck, — Looking upward, we contemplate the signs in the heavens; looking down we examine the lines of the earth. Since in this way man comes to resemble heaven and earth, he is not in conflict with them. – Ta Chuan

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    As if things are not bad enough, not looking forward to this one. Marie That’s for sure. Good luck,

    Maybe you should put a bag over your head to escape the retrograde planets.  Tin foil hats, I hear, also work. — http://www.SkepticTank.ORG/  http://www.KeithHenson.ORG/ http://www.SkepticFiles.ORG/ http://www.SlatkinFraud.COM/ http://www.RaulLopez.ORG/ http://www.RonTheNut.ORG/ http://www.BobMinton.ORG/ http://www.CrackPots.ORG/ http://www.ToryMagoo.ORG/ http://www.HolySmoke.ORG/ http://www.Xenu.NET/ http://www.Raids.ORG/ http://www.Nots.ORG/ http://www.MoneyCult.ORG/

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    |

    | | ~October’s going to be a frustrating month for everyone once Mercury | goes | ~stationary retrograde on the 2nd. Look for missed communications, | ~computer foul-ups, and chaotic energy in general. Like missed communications and computer foul-ups don’t happen everyday no matter where Murcury is or what direction it ’seems’ to be traveling in. | ~ Pay particular | ~attention to October 23rd. It’s the last day of Mercury’s retrograde | ~period, when it trines Saturn in retrograde, as the Sun moves into | ~Scorpio. And above all, avoid travel. Mercury, Saturn, Uranus and | ~Neptune will all be retrograde in air signs. Travel of any kind alwyas has risk involved.  Have you any proof that it is more dangerous during these times than any other?, or are you just blowing smoke out of your ass? | ~All of the above is bad enough during peace time, but I’m especially | ~concerned with the effect it might have on the war effort, overseas | and | ~here at home. | Whoa!! | A friend of mine was telling me about all these retrogrades a couple | weeks ago.  I know the fall is going to be a rough time. Since Mars is the God of war maybe we should check with him and see if it’s ok. | | It already is. | | It _often_ is.  And planets being in retrograde or not has never | had anything to do with it. | | — | http://www.SkepticTank.ORG/  http://www.KeithHenson.ORG/ | http://www.SkepticFiles.ORG/ http://www.SlatkinFraud.COM/ | http://www.RaulLopez.ORG/ http://www.RonTheNut.ORG/ | http://www.BobMinton.ORG/ http://www.CrackPots.ORG/ | http://www.ToryMagoo.ORG/ http://www.HolySmoke.ORG/ | http://www.Xenu.NET/ http://www.Raids.ORG/ http://www.Nots.ORG/ | http://www.MoneyCult.ORG/ | |

    Response:

    Science and belief operate in different spheres. You have the option of picking one, both, or neither, and living accordingly. Don’t denigrate others’ choices, if they don’t affect you.

    When believers claim they have scientific evidence to support their religious notions, they get to get debunked. Don’t like it?  Tough.  Pretending that the truth is some how "denigrading" is a supreme cop-out. October’s going to be a frustrating month for everyone This is complete nonsense. There is no evidence you have any idea what you are talking about. – Chive Science is not belief, but the will to find out.

    – http://www.SkepticTank.ORG/  http://www.KeithHenson.ORG/ http://www.SkepticFiles.ORG/ http://www.SlatkinFraud.COM/ http://www.RaulLopez.ORG/ http://www.RonTheNut.ORG/ http://www.BobMinton.ORG/ http://www.CrackPots.ORG/ http://www.ToryMagoo.ORG/ http://www.HolySmoke.ORG/ http://www.Xenu.NET/ http://www.Raids.ORG/ http://www.Nots.ORG/ http://www.MoneyCult.ORG/

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    October’s going to be a frustrating month for everyone This is complete nonsense. There is no evidence you have any idea what you are talking about. By all means, fly during October. Fly every week to disprove and dispell our concerns. Do something constructive with your life, Chive, and volunteer for duty overseas, OK?

    You’re not at all sane, in my honest opinion.  I seriously think you should seek professional mental help from qualified mental doctors at once.  No fooling around, sister, but you need help. No shit. — http://www.SkepticTank.ORG/  http://www.KeithHenson.ORG/ http://www.SkepticFiles.ORG/ http://www.SlatkinFraud.COM/ http://www.RaulLopez.ORG/ http://www.RonTheNut.ORG/ http://www.BobMinton.ORG/ http://www.CrackPots.ORG/ http://www.ToryMagoo.ORG/ http://www.HolySmoke.ORG/ http://www.Xenu.NET/ http://www.Raids.ORG/ http://www.Nots.ORG/ http://www.MoneyCult.ORG/

    Response:

    October’s going to be a frustrating month for everyone once Mercury goes stationary retrograde on the 2nd. Look for missed communications, computer foul-ups, and chaotic energy in general. Pay particular attention to October 23rd. It’s the last day of Mercury’s retrograde period, when it trines Saturn in retrograde, as the Sun moves into Scorpio. And above all, avoid travel. Mercury, Saturn, Uranus and Neptune will all be retrograde in air signs. All of the above is bad enough during peace time, but I’m especially concerned with the effect it might have on the war effort, overseas and here at home. Caliban — Looking upward, we contemplate the signs in the heavens; looking down we examine the lines of the earth. Since in this way man comes to resemble heaven and earth, he is not in conflict with them. – Ta Chuan

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  • Talesin's Chick

    Question:

      Hey buster, anyone tell you that your chick looks like a freak of nature like some sort of rabbit bit her and made her have long rabbit teeth???  Man I bet those teeth scratch things when she wraps her lips around things.  I mean she looks like some sort of wererabbit.  I wonder what she has in her blue duffel these days … hehehe <snicker — http://anneli.com/blackbane IRC : /server anneli.com #witchcraft creator of alt.witchcraft creator of alt.traditional.witchcraft original creator of alt.religion.wicca don’t like my postings, then go to:   alt.religion.wicca.moderated                                           //// /// ‘~ (    —–                                                    // /  // :    ) —–    Raven                                             /  /  /  /)   / —-    BlackBane                                                /   //..\                    

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      YEEK GAG!  A Norwegian wererabbit!  We in Sweden don’t like red hare wererabbits!  We make wererabbit soup; the redder the hare the better to eat.  No, not wererabbit, better yet, werewabbit with a green card. A four eyed red hare werewabbit with a green card.  But she’d not make a good soup since she’s so damn skinny and short.   Your life must be hell.  I bet she breads like a werewabbit too! — http://anneli.com/blackbane IRC : /server anneli.com #witchcraft creator of alt.witchcraft creator of alt.traditional.witchcraft original creator of alt.religion.wicca don’t like my postings, then go to:   alt.religion.wicca.moderated                                           //// /// ‘~ (    —–                                                    // /  // :    ) —–    Raven                                             /  /  /  /)   / —-    BlackBane                                                /   //..\                    

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  • Old spells and new ethics

    Question:

    What good does it do to have a will of iron if one refuses to see?  The ability to be flexible and bend is far more useful and helpful for growth.  When it comes to dedication to ones beliefs, that is a personal thing, and should be kept as such. Spells are spells, and they do a job.  How you use a spell is important.  Perhaps your father was wrong to cast the spell as he did, but maybe without anyone knowing it he saved your life.  Every time I go the wrong way by accident when I am driving, I always wonder if the accidental inconvenience perhaps saved me from a tragic accident.  These are areas I with hold judgment as to right and wrong. One never knows.  As far as the sex spell being done with out a condom.  That is not a moral issue.  It is not immoral to engage in sexual activity without a condom. Never reject anything because you think your ideals are more correct.  Or as you said we nowadays have "a heightened sense of ethics".  That is not true.  We can’t even begin to say we are anymore heightened than our ancestors.  What about the wisdom of the ages? IMHO, blessings, Laura. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – RBB mentioned a sex spell a week ago, and condoms were not to be used.  This alarmed some, because it is not safe sex.  There is going to be a problem with old spells, because our heightened sense of ethics and more importantly the open discussion of motives ,that old spells are subjected to mean closer scrutiny than they were exposed to in the past. It can also be impossible to predict the long term outcome of a spell, and this alone can bring inaction where originally the spell was sought to bring about change.  For instance, my sister married and moved far way.  My father did not want this to happen again, so he grew a pin oak from an acorn, cut off my hair, cut my right palm along the life line and mingled the hair the blood and the soil and then planted the tree over it.  Consequently I have never moved far away, and when I did, I always came back.  I live 10 feet from this tree.  If this spell is to be believed:  The downside: I can’t seem to leave.  The upside:  I derive a lot of energy from the place where I come from, everything earth based is easy and lucky. Dad didn’t think twice about tieing me to the land, yet I hesitate to do the same to my children.  One wants to live in CA.   I am tempted to fix her here. I know that I could do it, but I don’t think I will because it doesn’t seem right.  Do ethics spoil the spell?  Does too much intellectualization weaken witchcraft?  What of our iron wills, one of our most precious assets? — Pip

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    RBB mentioned a sex spell a week ago, and condoms were not to be used.  This alarmed some, because it is not safe sex.

    If the goal of the spell is to have children, then what would be the point of using a condom? There is going to be a problem with old spells, because our heightened sense of ethics and more importantly the open discussion of motives ,that old spells are subjected to mean closer scrutiny than they were exposed to in the past.

    Maybe and maybe not.  Some people will try anything once without thinking about any consequences first. It can also be impossible to predict the long term outcome of a spell, and this alone can bring inaction where originally the spell was sought to bring about change.

    Some practitioners use a divination tool to see what effect the spell will have before doing it.  Still, that can lead to inaction as well. <snip Dad didn’t think twice about tieing me to the land, yet I hesitate to do the same to my children.  One wants to live in CA.   I am tempted to fix her here. I know that I could do it, but I don’t think I will because it doesn’t seem right.  Do ethics spoil the spell?  Does too much intellectualization weaken witchcraft?  What of our iron wills, one of our most precious assets?

    If you feel it’s wrong, then the spell might bomb in some manner.  But then better advice is that if you don’t feel it’s right to do something, then just don’t do it. — Pip

    Own – — DragonLady MKB — Solitary Eclectic Wiccan So what if I flame.  Would you expect any less from a dragon? ;-) (My email address is a spammer trap.  I refuse to give out my new email address for fear of being spammed again.) For recipes and other interests, try http://www.neto.com/wildcard/ —–BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE—– Version: PGPfreeware 6.0 for non-commercial use <http://www.pgp.com iQA/AwUBNmGuEPndrA237edBEQJEnACgmH82tk5Y4AnN396d+tFlFNcNhK0AoMmq QJXCtQiMvtSBZOI82wcpD7UT =PTx7 —–END PGP SIGNATURE—–

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    RBB mentioned a sex spell a week ago, and condoms were not to be used.  This alarmed some, because it is not safe sex.  There is going to be a problem with old spells, because our heightened sense of ethics and more importantly the open discussion of motives ,that old spells are subjected to mean closer scrutiny than they were exposed to in the past. It can also be impossible to predict the long term outcome of a spell, and this alone can bring inaction where originally the spell was sought to bring about change.  For instance, my sister married and moved far way.  My father did not want this to happen again, so he grew a pin oak from an acorn, cut off my hair, cut my right palm along the life line and mingled the hair the blood and the soil and then planted the tree over it.  Consequently I have never moved far away, and when I did, I always came back.  I live 10 feet from this tree.  If this spell is to be believed:  The downside: I can’t seem to leave.  The upside:  I derive a lot of energy from the place where I come from, everything earth based is easy and lucky. Dad didn’t think twice about tieing me to the land, yet I hesitate to do the same to my children.  One wants to live in CA.   I am tempted to fix her here. I know that I could do it, but I don’t think I will because it doesn’t seem right.  Do ethics spoil the spell?  Does too much intellectualization weaken witchcraft?  What of our iron wills, one of our most precious assets? — Pip

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  • A Silver Moon Beam

    Question:

    If it was not for a silver moon beam in my life i would not know what living was..  This silver moon beam is my mother.  The only teacher in my life.  How i appreciate her.  She has showed me the way to the natural way of doing things..Wicca  is the NATURAL belief.  To all of you who study  good luck.  To those who don’t  good luck..  I respect everybody no matter what you believe…. blessed be CHYRA

    Blessed Be, Chyra ! I’ts a real pleasure, and refreshing for my soul, to find such a gentle article among some battles ! You place us at our right place, and I think that anybody should ever keep in mind that we are all the Child of the Great Mother, and that Love is a ritual of Her. So, one more time, Thank You, Chyra, and Blessed Be ! Der Mond Reiter

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    If it was not for a silver moon beam in my life i would not know what living was..  This silver moon beam is my mother.  The only teacher in my life.  How i appreciate her.  She has showed me the way to the natural way of doing things..Wicca  is the NATURAL belief.  To all of you who study  good luck.  To those who don’t  good luck..  I respect everybody no matter what you believe…. blessed be CHYRA

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  • Aren't You Embarrassed To Be A Pag-Wic

    Question:

    you should be! Cuz your all freaks! Your all lost souls in need of HIM to come and make you see the light! one way or another

    Response:

    you should be! Cuz your all freaks! Your all lost souls in need of HIM to come and make you see the light! one way or another

            To answer you truthfully, no I am not embarased, I feel more free than when i went to a regular church. I found out all people have choices and I am comfortable as a wiccan than a christian. Wiccans are not bound by hypocritical people who go to church on sunday and sin the rest of the week.         So again MikeyBoy, I am not ahamed to be wiccan.                                   Wolf.

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  • Splitting the newsgroup

    Question:

    Now there IS an interesting thought. The call for moderators has been going on for the last week now.  I posted an URL for the planning forum for alt.religion.wicca.moderated earlier last week. For any that missed it, its: http://server.com/WebApps/discussion.cgi?unique=1438225 I’ll be reposting it again soon. If RBB would like to be one of the moderators for the new group, she has simply to post a note on the message board.  That goes for anyone else who would like to as well.  Remeber, moderating a newsgroup is a serious responsibility that takes work and *time*. namaste, Shiva – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Personally.. I’m getting tired of wading through all the garbage here.. & unfortunately I don’t have a newsgroup browser that  has the killfiles.. i would love to see a moderated newsgroup for wicca in general… What do you define as garbage here?  It is unfortunate that you are close minded. I would love Raven BlackBane to be the General of a moderated newsgroup for Wicca.  The more we try to resist chaos, the more chaos will flood us.  Don’t resist.  Let go and flow with the river of fate. A religion such as Wicca that can’t take criticism from opponents such as Raven BlackBane, is not a religion that is confident and secure.  That religion is doomed. You as a follower of that religion are doomed.

    Response:

    Is this the idiot that’s supposed to destroy me, Ren? Or, "Is this the idiot that’s supposed to destroy me? Ren?" — Blessed Be,         Michael Smith

    It is my wish that you destroy each other. So yes. Ren and Ren will destroy themselves. And now the plot thickens.

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    Username: inamra                   In Real Life: rennie poo Plan: 3Ambers Amber D. ~ GirlFriend Amber H. ~ Roommate Amber S. ~ OnlineFriend

    Oh my. The secret is all but out.Ren set up my Internet account. Which one do you think I am? Jesse, Tales1n, Raine, or Sam? Or am I Ishtar, SheDragon, Emma, maybe PanMan! Why don’t you taste my pussy and find out? My spies tell me that you haven’t had sex in years, DragonLadyOCD. Oh wait. You are my spy. You told me that when I pretended to be your friend. Remember? I drain you down now. You’re nothing but a husk now. Weak and ready to die now. Lay your head down.

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    I drain you down now. You’re nothing but a husk now. Weak and ready to die now. Lay your head down.

      And Have a good nap now.  When you wake up, drink some herbal tea (marigold if you have it) and by Goddess, smell the flowers!  Its a beautiful day.  Hugging trees is always a good way to replenish your energy , no matter how ‘new-age, hippy’ it sounds o) namaste, Shiva

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    Personally.. I’m getting tired of wading through all the garbage here.. & unfortunately I don’t have a newsgroup browser that  has the killfiles.. i would love to see a moderated newsgroup for wicca in general…

    What do you define as garbage here?  It is unfortunate that you are close minded. I would love Raven BlackBane to be the General of a moderated newsgroup for Wicca.  The more we try to resist chaos, the more chaos will flood us.  Don’t resist.  Let go and flow with the river of fate. A religion such as Wicca that can’t take criticism from opponents such as Raven BlackBane, is not a religion that is confident and secure.  That religion is doomed. You as a follower of that religion are doomed.

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    - Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ve noticed that many of the discussions on alt.religion.wicca center around Wiccan ethics and Wiccan structures of morality.  Unfortunately, many flaming posts, hateful posts, and completely off-topic posts manage to worm their way in. I’m proposing that a new newsgroup be created: alt.religion.wicca.ethics This newsgroup would be a place for Wiccans (and like minded Pagans) to discuss this particular aspect of our theology.  I’m posting this message to get a few opinions. 1.  Is there need for a newsgroup specifically for this subject? 2.  If so, would it be more beneficial to have a moderated group? 3.  Does anyone have any other suggestions about split-off groups? 4.  How do people feel about this news group the way it is now (number of posts, message content, etc.)? Any input would be greatly appreciated.  Please respond to sender as well as group.  The responses recieved will be placed in a special file used to justify the newgroup.  If you would rather your reply not be logged in this file, please mention that in your reply. Namaste, Shiva

    1. I don’t think that a new newsgroup is nessesary. The ammount of posts on ARW is not really /that/ high if one ignores/killfiles the troll posts. 2. If a new group is created, moderation might be nice to kill the trolls, but I, for one, wouldn’t want to be the moderator. :) 3. Nope 4. As I stated above, I think the newsgroup is just great the way it is, if one ignores the trolls. — FireFlash http://www.netrax.net/~fireflash/ I am Valdez of the Clan Valdez. There Can Be Only Juan!

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    I think that it may be nice to have a newsgroup that civilized discussion can be held on.  I am all for the new group.  I think that some people in this NG need to grow up and for those that wish to seek answers to there questions, and provide help to others should have there own group aurora

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    What do you define as garbage here?  It is unfortunate that you are close minded. I would love Raven BlackBane to be the General of a moderated newsgroup for

    Please note the "hail BlackBane" crud… Wicca.  The more we try to resist chaos, the more chaos will flood us.  Don’t

                                                           ^^^^^Another of Ren’s big hang-ups.  He’s always talking about chaos this and chaos that…  Not that anyone who likes chaos is Ren, but of course Ren takes it to the extreme… resist.  Let go and flow with the river of fate. A religion such as Wicca that can’t take criticism from opponents such as Raven BlackBane, is not a religion that is confident and secure.

    Got no problem with criticism.  But I did draw the line when Timmy, et al. decided to tell newbies to commit suicide.  Truly more rubbish from Ren…  That religion is doomed. You as a follower of that religion are doomed.

    recruit new members from this NG for his (bleh!) Gothic Wicca.  Now don’t you find it a trifle odd that someone who claims to be someone other than Ren would post just *like* Ren?  Oh, and here’s something one of *my* spies picked up on this 3Ambers character… [goodnet.com] Username: inamra                   In Real Life: rennie poo Plan: 3Ambers Amber D. ~ GirlFriend Amber H. ~ Roommate Amber S. ~ OnlineFriend — So what if I flame.  Would you expect any less from a dragon? ;-) http://www.neto.com/wildcard – My own personal web page with tons of                                links.

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  • WICCA SUCKS

    Question:

    WICCA IS NOT WITCHCRAFT IT’S A STUPID RELIGION THAT SUCKS —                                           //// /// ‘~ (    —–                                                    // /  // :    ) —–    Raven                                             /  /  /  /)   / —-    BlackBane                                                /   //..\                    

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  • Samhain

    Question:

    The significance of the eve part is that the druids, as I understand it, started the day at sundown. Friday began at sundown on Thursday. But this is not my area of expertise. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I also view Samhain as the death of a way of living (sorta like New Years resolution) as for the previous debate on the date of Samhain October 31 is All Hallows Eve and Nov 1 would be Samhain. But since I was taught that the rituals took place close to midnight does it matter? Sandy

    Response:

    *The significance of the eve part is that the druids, as I understand it, *started the day at sundown. Friday began at sundown on Thursday. But *this is not my area of expertise. It wouldn’t surprise me in the least to find out the starting of the day to be a sundown started with the Druids.   I know from my experience of being an Seventh Day Adventist (I no longer am) that the Sabbath started at sundown Friday and finished at sundown Saturday. This is what people call biblical reckoning of when the day begins and ends.

    Response:

    From what I can tell, it doesn’t matter when you celebrate it, for the Lord and Lady would certainly understand that it is the intention and faith/belief that really matters. If you choose to nitpick days, then what happens as you cross time/date zones? Does the ritual and celebration of an esbat or sabbat lose its effectiveness and become null and void simply because you didn’t time it right? In my opinion, certainly not. What happens if the exigencies of real life step in? What if my child has an accident (Goddess forbid) on Samhain before trick-or-treating and I spend most of the night at the hospital and am unable to perform a ritual as planned? Does that make me any less of a Wiccan? Blessed Be! WinterBear

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    I also view Samhain as the death of a way of living (sorta like New Years resolution) as for the previous debate on the date of Samhain October 31 is All Hallows Eve and Nov 1 would be Samhain. But since I was taught that the rituals took place close to midnight does it matter? Sandy

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    writes: I also view Samhain as the death of a way of living (sorta like New Years resolution) as for the previous debate on the date of Samhain October 31 is All Hallows Eve and Nov 1 would be Samhain. But since I was taught that the rituals took place close to midnight does it matter? Sandy

    *** Sandy, I think you are right. Death is such an illusion in a way, until compared to endings of smaller things. Such as endings of a certain type of life, or a divorce, or a seperation from someone mentally ( which I have recently done, alittle ahead of Samhain. ) It has to be important, to me, though.      Physical death is only a transition to another physical life or another, maybe better/truer reality. Is this such a " new " idea? I don’t think so. Do people want to fear it? Yup.                     " She’s alot like you –                                 the dangerous type. "                                      Nella       P.G. web page:      http://pages.prodigy.com/VPQD54B/pansgrov.htm      You can go to Pan-Wicca from here, a new sect of Wicca focusing on the equality od the god and goddess, Italian Witchcraft, and   necromancy.    Get " Real ".     Many of us call up spirits … " the dead, " but we don’t rape’em, we just kiss em! Some of us just hold hands, speak to them or hug them, as well. Any complaints?

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    Happy New Year to All! How are you celebrating the holiday? Any or all please reply. Blessed Be, Night Eagle

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    You could do a very simple ritual to honor the dead which would entail setting up an altar and decorating it with photo’s memento’s, and items that represent the season–the end of harvest.  Set out a plate of "spirit" food for the dead to share. While standing in a circle, each person could name the beloved dead (or not beloved) they wish to acknowledge and drink a toast to them.  It’s also cool for each person to form a new goal for the new year and either write it on paper to be burned in a cauldron or fire place, or spoken, or whatever method you choose. Then bob for apples <g

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            Personally, my favorite  way to celebrate samhain is to gather pictures of those loved ones who have passed on and place them on the altar for remembrance.  I also like to use a lot of apple/pommegrante (sp?) symbolism.  After a lot of seriously somber and morbid shit I go off and get drunk (and hopefully laid).                                         Happy Hallowe’en                                                 Rodel

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    Hi! I was hoping some kind soul may be able to post a ritual or two to celebrate Samhain. I am trying to do this with a group of friends, some of which are pagan, and some are not, so I want something borderline ritual but not sacred. Any ideas?? Thanks in advance. Blessed Be! Amber

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    Party Babe!!!  What could be more pagan than a good time on the Day of the Dead?!?  Bob for apples and tell spooky stories.  Carve pumpkins.   Ceremony is great.  But who ever said you need ceremony to celebrate a holiday?  Drink some wine and offer it to the passing of the God.  If anyone says you NEED to do more just ask yourself if you really want to listen to the Episcopagans anyway. Bil "…let there be mirth and reverence within you…" —– AMBER T. FOSTER – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi! I was hoping some kind soul may be able to post a ritual or two to celebrate Samhain. I am trying to do this with a group of friends, some of which are pagan, and some are not, so I want something borderline ritual but not sacred. Any ideas?? Thanks in advance. Blessed Be! Amber

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