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I give you one name to research.  One name to start you on your path.  Crom.

You mean just Crom, the harvest-dude (?) connected to crows and Cronos (if we believe Robert Graves), or Crom Cruach (?), the monster-dude? Corone — The universe began in chaos. Now chaos is back, and it’s portable! ++See my web page at++ http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Forum/9942

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electrify the deeper levels. Pip

        We don’t use menstrual blood either.  Our coven is concerned mainly with Kundalini energy.  There is a pathway of energy in the human body that we call the "Tree of Life." It corresponds to the blood which is a more physical manifestation of the same mechanism.  This science comprises the deepest secrets of our Craft and won’t ever be revealed to the uninitiated. However, the bloody dragon may be researched in every culture in every era.  I give you one name to research.  One name to start you on your path.  Crom.   — http://www.goodnet.com/~jontomas

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I agree with most of what you said.  Carl Jung was onto something.         However, our coven doesn’t use blood at all.  Blood is just a symbol for something more important. — http://www.goodnet.com/~jontomas

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.    However, our coven doesn’t use blood at all.  Blood is just a symbol for something more important. — http://www.goodnet.com/~jontomas

Salt is an ancient substitute for blood.  Though salt has ritual uses in its own right, blood can prove to be hard to obtain.  When superstition says to throw salt over your left shoulder, after spilling salt, to keep ghosts away…the ancient formula was, ghosts were attracted to blood, to draw spirits Odyseuss slaughted a goat and filled a dish with its blood at the gates of Hades.  He wanted to speak with Tireseus.  Many shades came, attracted to the blood, many wanted to drink of it, Odyseuss saw his own Mother’s shade approach the dish.  Upon drinking the dead could speak.  This Indo-European belife is the root of all blood drinking corpses and ghosts. The salt that is spilt on the table, its attraction to ghosts, and throwing it over the left shoulder, is plain proof that the salt is a substitute for the blood. Of course the women in your coven can contribute blood quite easily.  This "secret blood" is a powerful tool.  Veinous blood is painful to obtain, and we use it only rarely.  Usually, one drop of veinous blood in wine does the trick, wine being also an old substitute for blood. Whatever you use or don’t use…not important.  Only important element is to electrify the deeper levels. Pip

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I cannot exerpt a line from the precursor of this topic because of the location I am posting from. Speaking of the pre-history of wicca is a big mistake.  There is no direct link to pre-history, period.  No more than any other human religion on earth.  There are no modern books on wicca’s pre-history written by any credible source. That is like the Vatican investigating the roots of Christianity, bogus at best. The best area to talk about the origins of wicca is not that of pre-history, it is that of the unconscious, specifically the unconscious as written about in the psychology of Carl Jung. His ideas of archetypes are most closely matched by the gods and ideas of wicca than any other religion in the world today..though all religions partake of them. Stay away from archaeology, and other paleoscientific  disciplines.  The academic community will smush you like a bug.  Far more embarrassing than fat wiccans. You are on safe ground in the area of the unconscious, and may have more justification than any other religion I can think of. Jung wrote that archetypes were biological, specific to human beings, and were evidence of instinct operating in humanity.  These archetypes were common in all of humanity, regardless of culture, or era.   Perhaps they are common in all hominoids, as suggested in Zardoz Greybeard’s post on the hominid stone circle in east Africa. The level of the archetype is that of the deepest levels of the mind, the level that the gods operate on, and the human need for the numinous, that is the feeling of being in the presence of the holy.  His research suggests that religion is built into humanity. Jung also coined the term, synchronicity.  Its use in the magical community is generally correct, with this important exception: SYNCHRONICITY OCCURS WHEN AN ARCHETYPE HAS BEEN ACTIVATED. In that one sentence lies the entire history of magic. It is the key to all that you do, why it works, or why it doesn’t. I want wicca to succeed as a religion, and at other times I want to push a button and make you all go away. You also cannot substitute for blood.  Your archetypal levels know the difference. I’m out of here. Pip

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