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OH!, so you are saying I didn’t forge it, thanks. :
Yes. Wasn’t it Shiva who said he approved the Malphas post? Therefore the post was not forged and erols can rest soundly.
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Shiva, You are a liar and a fascist. It is one thing to tell people to leave a newsgroup and yet another to not let them post to a newsgroup at all. You power hungry moderators only attract empty-headed fuck wits for alt.religion.wicca.moderated. In a sense, your newsgroup does us a favor by harboring and coddling the losers of this world who don’t have enough backbone to post to arw and have their ideas and issues debated. Now go away and go babysit the mentally, socially and spiritually challenged dogs on that wretched moderated newsgroup of yours.
Bob I knew I liked you (sorry, but I might have just done you irreperable damage). BTW don’t forget to mention their xian moderator. — Talesin- The Bad Boy of Witchcraft ™ "nuke an unborn gay baby whale for jesus"
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: : 2) Forging approved: headers will get your account yanked : by most ISPs out there. (I see ren is posting from Primenet, : who will DEFINITELY yank accounts for forged moderator-approvals). : In addition, your ISP is owned by RCN/Erols, home of the : infamous "Afterburner." I *strongly* suggest that you avoid : forged posts to moderated group, lest you discover the wrath : of the Erols abuse-guy. : : Could you please enlighten us regarding "Afterburer"? Some of us are not : familiar with this particular entity. <grin : : Loki Remember though, they do require evidence and it must be an abuse while online with erols, history is irrelevant with respect to other providers, Erols can’t tell me what I can or can’t do elsewhere. The idiot can *strongly* suggest whatever the idiot likes, one thing I’ve learned in life is the bottom line goes to Ms. Dollar $$$$$ — http://anneli.erols.com/blackbane IRC : /server anneli.erols.com #witchcraft creator of alt.witchcraft creator of alt.traditional.witchcraft original creator of alt.religion.wicca don’t like my postings, then go to: alt.religion.wicca.moderated //// /// ‘~ ( —– // / // : ) —– Raven / / / /) / —- BlackBane / //..
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I have friends at erols.com, Raven. As long as you don’t spam, flood, or forge, your first amendment rights are protected. However, as we learned before anyone can take your words out of context and call it a death threat and such. If they don’t cut and paste your entire message, you can protest. Also the FCC is the right organization to contact among others such as the ACLU. We must defend our right to insult people and say ‘fuck’ on alt. newsgroups. That is why they are "alt" alt means, "free discussion"
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: : I mean look at this loser : of a moderator trying to justify how and why Malpahs the : Clone forced the : "Approved:" line. : : I’m not arguing with that… the approved header was indeed : forged, that was never in question. : Not "forged" self approved, totally permited in alt.* : : I’m simply saying that for some reason, the post STILL : appeared at the robomod, where I approved it. : Obviously some site noticed the "self approval" and mailed it to you. Noticing the ability to thwart the moderators you quickly tried to cover your tracks to make it appear that such "self approval" is not possible, because simply put you don’t want people self approving themselves. But I’m here to say the cat is out of the bag. FOLKS!!! Add the following line to the headers if you want to post to alt.religion.wicca.moderated: Newsgroups: alt.religion.wicca.moderated or a fake address if you want to, I don’t care. : : Yes, you did threaten to do that. But when all is said and : done, you DIDN’T. : OH!, so you are saying I didn’t forge it, thanks. : : The funny thing is that you waited eleven months to post : your threat. Conveniently, you waited until a few days : AFTER I posted that the charter was complete and that we : would be proposing the group to alt.config. : : Here’s a timeline: : : Nov 97 – Group is first proposed, steering comittee formed. : Raven babbles incessantly about how "UNENFORCABLE" it all : is. : confirmed by the "AN" in the URL link pointing to actual posts on dejnews. As you can others were yapping about moderating the group LONG before your steering comittee, which might I add steered the group right into a tree. Author : Raven BlackBane Date : 1997/02/16 Forums : alt.religion.wicca For crying out loud. If you don’t like my posting, then moderate it. Subject; How to deal with *ME*! Author: Raven BlackBane Date : 1997/10/04 Forums: alt.religion.wicca This is what Rob said to me, 1) get software that has a "kill file" so that you won’t even see these postings. 2) you can establish a moderated newsgroup in which someone, such as shez or loki, has to approve all postings before they are distributed. 3) someone, like shez or loki, can establish a closed mailing list in which only "approved" folks will be permitted to post. 4) Another approach is to offer a moderated web-based bulleting board system. I’m sure there are others. Author: Raven BlackBane Date : 1997/10/22 Forums: alt.religion.wicca
: : soc.religion.paganism can certainly be home for Wiccans but for the : "alt" groups are not moderatored. Some, very few, have people who have self appointed themselves as a moderator, but providers jump on their ass fast. May I suggest soc.religion.wicca. It’s not that hard to make a newsgroup and appoint one or more people to be the moderatator of it. I’m sure loki would love to take on the job so her head could swell up with all that *POWER*. You might even think of an e-mail list through majordomo. — http://anneli.erols.com/blackbane IRC : /server anneli.erols.com #witchcraft creator of alt.witchcraft creator of alt.traditional.witchcraft original creator of alt.religion.wicca don’t like my postings, then go to: alt.religion.wicca.moderated //// /// ‘~ ( —– // / // : ) —– Raven / / / /) / —- BlackBane / //..
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Could you please enlighten us regarding "Afterburer"? Some of us are not familiar with this particular entity. <grin Loki
Afterburner is a member of the abuse team at erols. He isn’t in the business of censorship. However, he is against USENET abuse as I am against it. In all my years on USENET I have never once formally abused USENET by forgery, flooding, and spam. We sometimes crosspost to relevant newsgroups or respond to them on accident. One time someone referred to one of my posts and a veiled death threat. It wasn’t proven and we got a lawyer and we are covered legally. We have been accused of forging email addresses but this is not the case. You can not forge the real name field. You can put anything in there. We have never forged emails or used anonymous servers. By the way. We have friends at erols. — The Bible Teaches That Jesus Lied Read John 5:31 and John 8:18
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(Copy of this post cc’ed to the Erols abuse desk; I’ve seen you in action before, and think a heads-up may be in order). Peace Kevin Filan
Need I remind you that I engage in no such abuse. I did not forge any subject lines to get past the moderated group. — The Bible Teaches That Jesus Lied Read John 5:31 and John 8:18
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I mean look at this loser of a moderator trying to justify how and why Malpahs the Clone forced the "Approved:" line.
I’m not arguing with that… the approved header was indeed forged, that was never in question. I’m simply saying that for some reason, the post STILL appeared at the robomod, where I approved it. "Oh, that’s because I Hair Moderator De’ Furrier approved it." Bull Hockey.
I gave you the evidence that showed I approved the post. You ignored it. Little Prick approved nothing, specifically a "test" posting with my name there in to PROVE THAT I WAS RIGHT.
Your name had nothing to do with it. Saying that "raven was right" doesn’t make it true… nor does it make off-topic, by the way, which is why I approved it. You trying to tell me that the moderator(s) will approve a posting to that group which posting states I am right and they are wrong?
And you’re making an assumption that is incorrect. If someone made an on-topic post (as explained in the charter) that said you were right, it would be approved, regardless of our feelings toward you. HA!HA!HA!, bull… Malpahs the Clone simply forced the "Approved:" line
Yes, the approved line was forged. and the Internet community happily migrated the news WITHOUT sending to the moderator(s) for approval as the posting contained a valid (well sort of valid) "Approved:"
line. Which doesn’t explain why it appared in the robomoderator queue for me to approve it, as evidenced by the fact that it contained a moderator comment. Granted, the PGP key blocks overwrote the comment when it was injected, but the archive shows the comment there nonetheless *without* the PGP blocks… meaning they weren’t added until AFTER the post was mhonarched, but BEFORE it was injected. thus the term "moderated" carries no weight in alt.*.
That is incorrect. What? If I make alt.religion.wicca.Nazis.moderated, which I can, does that mean by some for of magical LAW it is now an "enforceable" moderated group?
Yes, if it is propagated as moderated group and listed among the Moderated Groups list maintained by isc.org and uunet.net, then it would indeed be enforcable. Whether it would be included in that list due to its harrasing nature is not something that I could guarentee. Let them think they have a wonderful group,
We do have a wonderful group, and its the people who post there that make it that way. don’t forget, I was THIS close to sending out the "control" posting to form the
group thus snatching it from their grip.
Yes, you did threaten to do that. But when all is said and done, you DIDN’T. You do remember Ren, some time back last mid summer, when they were All talk and no do about actually making that group.
Yes, ren should indeed remember that, as he was on the steering comittee for some time. He knows exactly how much work we were doing behind the scenes where you couldn’t read it on the newsgroup. I posted a representative control message and WOW-SIRs, did they get their butt in gear since yapping about it from Nov ‘97.
The funny thing is that you waited eleven months to post your threat. Conveniently, you waited until a few days AFTER I posted that the charter was complete and that we would be proposing the group to alt.config. Here’s a timeline: Nov 97 – Group is first proposed, steering comittee formed. Raven babbles incessantly about how "UNENFORCABLE" it all is. 11 months go by, silence from Raven… she assumes that we stopped talking about it because she couldn’t read any of the activity that was going on behind the newsgroup. summer ‘98 – I make a post to arw saying that the charter is complete and that we are planning on proposing the newsgroup to alt.config. couple days later – Raven threatens that "someone" will newgroup it before the debate period on alt.config has time to occur. Raven threatens this incessantly for a period of a few days. couple days after that – Raven specifically states that the newgroup control WAS SENT by "someone" and that it was too late. couple days later – debate period on alt.config ends successfully, the control message that raven threatened about doesn’t appear… nor does the group. We send our own control and viola, the group appears and is operational. Raven then claims that she was lying just so that she could show how she was the one who initiated us into sending the control. Another lie by RBB exposed for what it was. They feared that either I, or another, would actually post that control message. But no one did,
because we all wanted a "moderated" (though not enforcable) version of
alt.religion.wicca. We were indeed afraid of that, because it was something that you would have done. I was rather surprised to learn that you *didn’t* do it. namaste, Shiva
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2) Forging approved: headers will get your account yanked by most ISPs out there. (I see ren is posting from Primenet, who will DEFINITELY yank accounts for forged moderator-approvals). In addition, your ISP is owned by RCN/Erols, home of the infamous "Afterburner." I *strongly* suggest that you avoid forged posts to moderated group, lest you discover the wrath of the Erols abuse-guy.
Could you please enlighten us regarding "Afterburer"? Some of us are not familiar with this particular entity. <grin Loki
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: : In addition, your ISP is owned by RCN/Erols, home of the : infamous "Afterburner." I *strongly* suggest that you avoid : forged posts to moderated group, lest you discover the wrath : of the Erols abuse-guy. : : (Copy of this post cc’ed to the Erols abuse desk; I’ve seen : you in action before, and think a heads-up may be in order). : First off, I have more then one ISP, as for this one, well I don’t piss in the water I drink. Yes I’ve heard from others that Erols might be anal retentive, but they’ve been since sold out to RCN, and they do LOVE to advertise all sorts of WONDERFUL things to get customers. Are you saying that once they lure the customers in and take their money that they then systematically begin to stomp on them for simply speaking their bit? You mean they have the "Thanks for the money now I treat you like trash" attitude? Hummm…, sounds fun. My oh my, I wonder what they would do if they started get summons from their customers. YEEK! Now that wouldn’t look good for a new company that just moved into the area trying to move in on the local Cable and Telephone business. Wouldn’t look good at all. Rule one of common carrier, don’t censor the customer. Once you have, you lose that status, and once lost, you can’t obtain local FCC permits on those grounds, exc… exc… exc… BTW, I’ve made it no secret as to whom I’ve moved my domain (that is as soon as Internic gets around and process the paper work, might need to cast a spell to speed things up), why in fact I’ve been VERY public here and on IRC, and for a good reason, I want you to shake the tree so I can see what nuts fall out of it. One more touch on these providers. Erols sold out for some 8 million or so to a company that expects to expand not only Cable but telephone services, excuse me, but when was the last time the operator butted in and said "You can’t say that"? I’m not even going to start on the legal ramifications that could run into the millions. They want to censor their customers, fine, there are other providers, but I’ll be more then glad to make the censorship of CLEAR public record as others in competition for permits may have free access. Me sue? Na, I’m a Witch. One thing as Wise Woman once told me, if you don’t want a thorn in the ass, don’t sit on the bush. So, what makes them any different from crosslink? … hehehe <snicker — http://anneli.erols.com/blackbane IRC : /server anneli.erols.com #witchcraft creator of alt.witchcraft creator of alt.traditional.witchcraft original creator of alt.religion.wicca don’t like my postings, then go to: alt.religion.wicca.moderated //// /// ‘~ ( —– // / // : ) —– Raven / / / /) / —- BlackBane / //..
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: : (Copy of this post cc’ed to the Erols abuse desk; I’ve seen : you in action before, and think a heads-up may be in order). : Good, do like they did with crosslink, enough unfounded B.S. complaints and they too will simply look the other direction. So, where is your proof that I forged anything? Hummm…, — http://anneli.erols.com/blackbane IRC : /server anneli.erols.com #witchcraft creator of alt.witchcraft creator of alt.traditional.witchcraft original creator of alt.religion.wicca don’t like my postings, then go to: alt.religion.wicca.moderated //// /// ‘~ ( —– // / // : ) —– Raven / / / /) / —- BlackBane / //..
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: Shiva, : You are a liar and a fascist. : : It is one thing to tell people to leave a newsgroup and yet another to : not let them post to a newsgroup at all.
Their newsgroup, their rules. (They newgrouped the moderated group; you didn’t). : You power hungry moderators only attract empty-headed fuck wits for : alt.religion.wicca.moderated. In a sense, your newsgroup does us a favor : by harboring and coddling the losers of this world who don’t have enough : backbone to post to arw and have their ideas and issues debated.
My suggestion: avoid a.r.w.m if you feel that way. *and then Raven Blackbane adds* You can force the "Approved:" line as it is in an alt.* hierarchy, unlike the BIG 8 which requires a proposal, a debate duration, and vote casting, alt.* groups can be formed at the drop of a hat by the whim of anyone, thus the term "moderated" carries no weight in alt.*. What? If I make alt.religion.wicca.Nazis.moderated, which I can, does that mean by some for of magical LAW it is now an "enforceable" moderated group? No.
Ummm… while you *can* forge the "Approved:" line in postings and cause your posts to appear in alt.*.moderated groups: 1) That posting will soon be cancelled by one of the moderators. 2) Forging approved: headers will get your account yanked by most ISPs out there. (I see ren is posting from Primenet, who will DEFINITELY yank accounts for forged moderator-approvals). In addition, your ISP is owned by RCN/Erols, home of the infamous "Afterburner." I *strongly* suggest that you avoid forged posts to moderated group, lest you discover the wrath of the Erols abuse-guy. (Copy of this post cc’ed to the Erols abuse desk; I’ve seen you in action before, and think a heads-up may be in order). Peace Kevin Filan — "The World’s Smallest System Administrator" * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Home Page: http://www.ultinet.net/~harwer The Hall of Flames: http://www.ultinet.net/~harwer/flames.htm * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * COMING SOON!: The Last Temptation of Kevin
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: the term "moderated" carries no weight in alt.*. What? If I make : alt.religion.wicca.Nazis.moderated, which I can, does that mean by : : This is interesting. : No really, read the RCFs on the topic of alt.* and the BIG 8 groups. It was the BIG 8 that the Almighty Internet Gurus elected to place moderated groups whilst leaving the alt.* as a free for all higherarchie were anyone could make any group of their wishes at the drop of a hat. You see, to get a group formed in the BIG 8, one must make a proposal as to the need of such a group along with a charter, then there is a series of debates as to the new groups need, and finally a vote taken; on the other hand alt.* groups are simply formed at the drop of the hat by ANYONE without the need of proposals, charters, debates, or even a vote (can you find ANY of these for alt.witchcraft or alt.traditional.witchcraft? nope, but they’re there none the less, ain’t they). Simply put, ARWM built their house on sand. Hey I’m not saying moderated groups can’t be formed in alt.*, tons are, the moderation of it is simply not enforceable, it’s like trying to give a speeding ticket to a BMW on the AutoBond. Yes, providers will mark moderated groups in the active file as moderated (many don’t in alt.*), yes postings will get mailed to the moderated, yes, all the functions of a moderated group can be followed, BUT, unlike the BIG 8, people are free to "self approve" postings in the alt.* groups without reprise (short of anal retentive and ignorant providers). Thus a posting once having the "Approved:" line in the header is no longer mailed to the moderator but rather the posting is migrated about the Internet just like any other posting; hence thwarting the whole idea of moderating the group. — http://anneli.erols.com/blackbane IRC : /server anneli.erols.com #witchcraft creator of alt.witchcraft creator of alt.traditional.witchcraft original creator of alt.religion.wicca don’t like my postings, then go to: alt.religion.wicca.moderated //// /// ‘~ ( —– // / // : ) —– Raven / / / /) / —- BlackBane / //..
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the term "moderated" carries no weight in alt.*. What? If I make alt.religion.wicca.Nazis.moderated, which I can, does that mean by
This is interesting. about it from Nov ‘97. They feared that either I, or another, would actually post that control message. But no one did, because we all wanted a "moderated" (though not enforcable) version of alt.religion.wicca. Now Providers and respond to their bitches with "Well there is a moderated version, go there".
Hrmmmm. Yes. — The Bible Teaches That Jesus Lied Read John 5:31 and John 8:18
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Yawn, Bull Shit. Trying to save face by claiming you approved the posting. So then, "test postings" are on topic. Hummm…, never knew that, gosh, alt.test will die now.
We approve most test postings so that the authors know that they are getting through to the group. Since arwm is relatively new, there are some servers that still don’t carry it. Seeing their posts appear with a mod comment shows that there are no problems and they can participate normally. Normally these test posts are quite on topic, as introducing yourself (while not mandatory) is considered polite on arwm. I approved this one because I had no idea what Malphas was talking about, and I thought perhaps he would see the mod comment and explain further. None the less, I’d say "test postings" are more off topic then what Ren posted.
Quite frankly, it doesn’t matter what you think is off-topic for the group. Had ren wished to pursue the matter, he could have appealed to have the post accepted. However, he did not, so obviously it wasn’t that important to him, either. Don’t try to wiggle out of it, anyone with an NNTP feed can add the "Approved:" line, specifically in the "alt" groups were
moderated groups are not recognized by providers.
A moderated group is a moderated group, regardless of the hierarchy its in. That status is indeed respected by providers even in the alt.* hierarchy. When arwm first became operational I was asked to provide information for the moderated groups list maintained by isc.org and uunet.net. This list contains the contact information for all moderated newsgroups. If moderated alt.* groups are not considered valid and official, why are they on the list with the big-8 groups (as well as every other hierarchy)? When servers exchange posts, any unapproved post that is "fed" to them for a moderated group is automatically rejected. This happens regardless of the hierarchy. Since day one of the planning of arwm, you have claimed that providers do not respect the moderated status of groups in the alt.* hierarchy. That is absolutely false, and repeating it *ad nauseum* does not make it any less false. Adding the "Approved:" line might not be possible in NNRP (mode reader) as some sites don’t permit certain headers.
I would think that sites which add their own would also fall into this category, but again, I couldn’t tell you for sure as I’m not the techie guy ™ for arwm. We employ someone for this purpose so I don’t *have* to know. Look, if one normally posts to
alt.religion.wicca.moderated, that posting is "e-mailed" to the moderator(s) who then adds the
required "Approved:" line and then they ship it back out so the posting can
migrate the Internet, What you have described is the bare minimum configuration for a moderated group. There are methods (such as ours) that are much more complex and require many more steps. I can tell you that PGP verification occurs in three different stages before the post is injected using internal keys, and I believe that’s why there were two pgp blocks attached to Malphas’ post. No, Malphas clone got one over you and you want to save
face, so fuck off. If you say so… I assume that you followed the link that I provided to the post and saw the the post there with my moderator comment. Only posts that go through the robomod appear there. When a moderator approves a post it is "mhonarced" into html and added to the temp archive. If you compared the dates and times of the post in the temp archive and those in the post to arwm, you’ve seen that they are exactly the same. That means that I would have had to seen malphas’ post on arwm, issue a cancel, and forge a post directed to the modbot while maintaining the original headers and PGP info, and approve it adding my mod comment…. **and do it all in a time period of ZERO seconds.** You give me way too much credit. OH! YEA! Get the fuck off this group and spread your lies on your news group.
Gee RBB, this is an unmoderated group, and anyone is allowed to post here freely. Out of everyone, I would have thought that you would be most concerned with protecting peoples’ rights to post here since you are so against censorship and moderation. Shit you didn’t even cross this over to
alt.religion.wicca.moderated. Why would I? You do not post to alt.religion.wicca.moderated, so why would I post something directed at you, there? And why do you think that the people THERE would care one bit about our discussion? The reason that I’m posting on arw is because of Malphas’ message. He spoke of "testing out something Raven BlackBane said", and I wanted to know what he was talking about. Once I read the lies and half-truths that you posted, I responded; Not for your benefit, but to inform those readers who frequent both arw and arwm that the post was indeed approved by Modstaff, and, as usual, you were simply blowing hot air. Whether you choose to believe me or not is irrelevant. As you’ve said elsewhere, what happens, happens, regardless of how you percieve it. namaste, Shiva
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Here’s what I got, as anal retentative as they are on that newsgroup (alt.religion.wicca.moderated) I know damn well they would never have approved of your test posting based on your obvious intentions, the body subject contents, and MY name in the body. I also see the PGPMoose is valid too, good SHOW! Raven salutes Malphas Clone with both of her feathered wings. .Path: newsfeed.wli.net!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!news.stanford.edu! . arwm.stump.algebra.com!robomod!not-for-mail .X-ARWM-Policy: http://www.bitstorm.net/jplank/charter.htm .X-Comment: moderators do not necessarily agree or disagree with this article. .X-Moderation: Hassle-Free commercial hosting of moderation sites available .Newsgroups: alt.religion.wicca.moderated .X-Auth: PGPMoose V1.1 PGP alt.religion.wicca.moderated . iQBVAwUANiepjDVFE+OLSUH1AQEJgQH/bdT2eMTXVj7VmI5OuxbBtbPxDp7bonV6 . hmFmLqc0R0+Ln/e1ZRbrF3KSc6TyM06P7NSOACddpz6ieXf/UJE6Tg== . =t78s .Lines: 98 . —–BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE—– Just testing to see if what Raven Blackbane was saying on alt.religion.wicca is true. Tsk, Tsk, guess it was. — http://www.anneli.com/blackbane IRC : /server anneli.com #witchcraft creator of alt.witchcraft creator of alt.traditional.witchcraft original creator of alt.religion.wicca don’t like my postings, then go to: alt.religion.wicca.moderated //// /// ‘~ ( —– // / // : ) —– Raven / / / /) / —- BlackBane / //..
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: Shiva, : You are a liar and a fascist. : : It is one thing to tell people to leave a newsgroup and yet another to : not let them post to a newsgroup at all. : : You power hungry moderators only attract empty-headed fuck wits for : alt.religion.wicca.moderated. In a sense, your newsgroup does us a favor : by harboring and coddling the losers of this world who don’t have enough : backbone to post to arw and have their ideas and issues debated. : : Now go away and go babysit the mentally, socially and spiritually : challenged dogs on that wretched moderated newsgroup of yours. Ren, dood, chill out man. Post whatever you would have posted, or will post, to that group HERE. Trust me, those losers read this group none the less; hence your message(s) will still get out. I mean look at this loser of a moderator trying to justify how and why Malpahs the Clone forced the "Approved:" line. "Oh, that’s because I Hair Moderator De’ Furrier approved it." Bull Hockey. Little Prick approved nothing, specifically a "test" posting with my name there in to PROVE THAT I WAS RIGHT. You trying to tell me that the moderator(s) will approve a posting to that group which posting states I am right and they are wrong? HA!HA!HA!, bull… Malpahs the Clone simply forced the "Approved:" line and the Internet community happily migrated the news WITHOUT sending to the moderator(s) for approval as the posting contained a valid (well sort of valid) "Approved:" line. You can force the "Approved:" line as it is in an alt.* hierarchy, unlike the BIG 8 which requires a proposal, a debate duration, and vote casting, alt.* groups can be formed at the drop of a hat by the whim of anyone, thus the term "moderated" carries no weight in alt.*. What? If I make alt.religion.wicca.Nazis.moderated, which I can, does that mean by some for of magical LAW it is now an "enforceable" moderated group? No. Let them think they have a wonderful group, don’t forget, I was THIS close to sending out the "control" posting to form the group thus snatching it from their grip. But I didn’t, I could, but I wanted those losers to have a group that was moderated thus thwarting any future bitching about postings to this group. After all, can’t really cry about what is posted here when you can ALWAYS go to the moderated group. You do remember Ren, some time back last mid summer, when they were All talk and no do about actually making that group. I posted a representative control message and WOW-SIRs, did they get their butt in gear since yapping about it from Nov ‘97. They feared that either I, or another, would actually post that control message. But no one did, because we all wanted a "moderated" (though not enforcable) version of alt.religion.wicca. Now Providers and respond to their bitches with "Well there is a moderated version, go there". — http://anneli.erols.com/blackbane IRC : /server anneli.erols.com #witchcraft creator of alt.witchcraft creator of alt.traditional.witchcraft original creator of alt.religion.wicca don’t like my postings, then go to: alt.religion.wicca.moderated //// /// ‘~ ( —– // / // : ) —– Raven / / / /) / —- BlackBane / //..
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Shiva, You are a liar and a fascist. It is one thing to tell people to leave a newsgroup and yet another to not let them post to a newsgroup at all. You power hungry moderators only attract empty-headed fuck wits for alt.religion.wicca.moderated. In a sense, your newsgroup does us a favor by harboring and coddling the losers of this world who don’t have enough backbone to post to arw and have their ideas and issues debated. Now go away and go babysit the mentally, socially and spiritually challenged dogs on that wretched moderated newsgroup of yours.
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I would have never figured…. I’d say that I stand corrected, but I’m sitting down <g Taliesin of Earthstar HP, Earthstar Coven
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Here’s what I got, as anal retentative as they are on that newsgroup (alt.religion.wicca.moderated) I know damn well they would never have approved of your test posting based on your obvious
intentions, the body subject contents, and MY name in the body.
RBB and everyone else, I was the moderator that approved the Malphas clone’s test post. My logic for aproving it was that it has been Modstaff’s policy to accept test postings, and I saw no reason why this one should be any different. If you would like to verify this, surf over to: http://www.video-collage.com/~arwm/approved/threads.html This link will take you to the news-to-web gateway that we use as a de facto archive. The "Test" post is about 20 posts up from the bottom. The only difference between that entry and the newsgroup is that the conflicting PGP keys overwrote the moderator comment that I had added to the post. The fact that your name was in the body had nothing to do with it. I don’t know where you got the idea that Modstaff has a personal vendetta against you, but its rather silly. If you choose to participate there, fine. If not, fine. You claim to have created two other newsgroups where you can aire your beliefs about Wicca; why then do you spend the majority of your time trashing arwm on arw? I also see the PGPMoose is valid too, good SHOW! Raven salutes Malphas Clone with both of her feathered wings.
<snip headers with obviously forged approval I see you failed to mention the two PGP public key blocks that were attached to the post. *sigh* namaste, Shiva
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: : RBB and everyone else, : : I was the moderator that approved the Malphas clone’s test : post. My logic for aproving it was that it has been : Modstaff’s policy to accept test postings, and I saw no : reason why this one should be any different. : : If you would like to verify this, surf over to: : http://www.video-collage.com/~arwm/approved/threads.html : This link will take you to the news-to-web gateway that we : use as a de facto archive. The "Test" post is about 20 : posts up from the bottom. The only difference between that : entry and the newsgroup is that the conflicting PGP keys : overwrote the moderator comment that I had added to the : post. : Yawn, Bull Shit. Trying to save face by claiming you approved the posting. So then, "test postings" are on topic. Hummm…, never knew that, gosh, alt.test will die now. None the less, I’d say "test postings" are more off topic then what Ren posted. Don’t try to wiggle out of it, anyone with an NNTP feed can add the "Approved:" line, specifically in the "alt" groups were moderated groups are not recognized by providers. Adding the "Approved:" line might not be possible in NNRP (mode reader) as some sites don’t permit certain headers. Look, if one normally posts to alt.religion.wicca.moderated, that posting is "e-mailed" to the moderator(s) who then adds the required "Approved:" line and then they ship it back out so the posting can migrate the Internet, if it was not for the "Approved:" line, the propagating posting would simply be re-mailed back to the moderator. No, Malphas clone got one over you and you want to save face, so fuck off. Not only are you people Nazis, you are also fucking LIARS. OH! YEA! Get the fuck off this group and spread your lies on your news group. Shit you didn’t even cross this over to alt.religion.wicca.moderated. — http://www.anneli.com/blackbane IRC : /server anneli.com #witchcraft creator of alt.witchcraft creator of alt.traditional.witchcraft original creator of alt.religion.wicca don’t like my postings, then go to: alt.religion.wicca.moderated //// /// ‘~ ( —– // / // : ) —– Raven / / / /) / —- BlackBane / //..
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—–BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE—– Here’s what I got, as anal retentative as they are on that newsgroup (alt.religion.wicca.moderated) I know damn well they would never have approved of your test posting based on your obvious intentions, the body subject contents, and MY name in the body. I also see the PGPMoose is valid too, good SHOW! Raven salutes Malphas Clone with both of her feathered wings.
I would have never figured…. I’d say that I stand corrected, but I’m sitting down <g Taliesin of Earthstar HP, Earthstar Coven Website under construction fidei <DOT defensor <AT bigfoot <DOT com WARNING: Sending unsolicited commercial e-mail to the above address enters you into the agreement that you accept a charge of $50 U.S. for proof-reading, grammar, and spelling correction. This agreement does not apply to requested information. —–BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE—– Version: 2.6.3a Charset: cp850 iQEVAwUBNiag9cgPAqIFAO5RAQFTugf/dQABFcVXAyA+j9BOeNncKdFrWEjvRrfW 7xck4nR1aDEHfZalrXzVi+i2efgwxvv9PHwSAoDxSQ9toLnMD7+WZ9fMrMkFQCH5 HZrjJApDG2IdIZF0cEJZiWodM9xlAYfEoLyw/9STResHZFR7UtTztdq6wd+4KHFv akDONaapvHWlqTssBPLZK0TuVJMFD9qnATCGK9+YlQoiFFXr3+MNnNY/nche5fzN ereASnAfEr5FnlnSHAfciYR1YKBW3o3W822lt+YElPIEDFX3i6o5v9Sopj2tg5TV eK8KEGCOdMKVoQKZSghozjzCEKG/WVOc149bM0B9nfXHXEFfUCPtVA== =+xte —–END PGP SIGNATURE—–
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: —–BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE—– : : : : : Here’s what I got, as anal retentative as they are on that newsgroup : (alt.religion.wicca.moderated) I know damn well they would never have : approved of your test posting based on your obvious intentions, the body : subject contents, and MY name in the body. : I also see the PGPMoose is valid too, good SHOW! Raven salutes Malphas : Clone with both of her feathered wings. : : I would have never figured…. I’d say that I stand corrected, but : I’m sitting down <g : What does it matter, so someone can add an "Approved:" line to a header to thwart the moderation system, Big WHOPPY! What’s not posted there can be posted here, folks there will read here, same end result, others read it. Who gives a rat’s ass if it in ARWM or this group, IT’S READ NONE THE LESS! — http://www.anneli.com/blackbane IRC : /server anneli.com #witchcraft creator of alt.witchcraft creator of alt.traditional.witchcraft original creator of alt.religion.wicca don’t like my postings, then go to: alt.religion.wicca.moderated //// /// ‘~ ( —– // / // : ) —– Raven / / / /) / —- BlackBane / //..
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