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When I was diagnosed "schizopjhrenic" THEY absolutely had no idea what it was. Then, in the NIneties it was defined, in Discover Magazine, as "having too much dopamine". It is obvious that THEY have defined "schizophrenia" like this to justify the use of devastating dopamine blockers against us. Yes, it totally "disarms" us, by preoccupying us with our misery. The word schizophrenia is a catch all for over a hundred different brain diseases, many of them unnamed, like Shamans’ Disease, named by the old Soviet Union, and Naloxemia, named, and more common, in France. People with other conditions like heavy metal poisoning, loss of inhibitory neurons from oxygen deprivation, brain lesions from concussions, and sleep disorders. like sleep apnea, have been classified as "schizophrenics". We just use the word because that’s what we’re called. http://community.webtv.net/mpereira/TheSecretsofthe
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I fear you’re right and that there is no such thing as schizophrenia. There’s just The Schitz and it’s followers…. Yoda is in a big mad paddy with the psychiatric profession and will shortly get out his light-sabre and kill them all — kez "Michael A. Pereira" <mpere…@webtv.net> wrote in message news:10986-42D55D52-1555@storefull-3137.bay.webtv.net… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> When I was diagnosed "schizopjhrenic" THEY absolutely had no idea > what it was. Then, in the NIneties it was defined, in Discover Magazine, > as "having too much dopamine". It is obvious that THEY have defined > "schizophrenia" like this to justify the use of devastating dopamine > blockers against us. Yes, it totally "disarms" us, by preoccupying us > with our misery. The word schizophrenia is a catch all for over a > hundred different brain diseases, many of them unnamed, like Shamans’ > Disease, named by the old Soviet Union, and Naloxemia, named, and more > common, in France. People with other conditions like heavy metal > poisoning, loss of inhibitory neurons from oxygen deprivation, brain > lesions from concussions, and sleep disorders. like sleep apnea, have > been classified as "schizophrenics". We just use the word because that’s > what we’re called. > http://community.webtv.net/mpereira/TheSecretsofthe
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"Lothar Swordfist" <lothar.s…@sci.fi> wrote in message
news:cvpad1p2t6qu9fb1gfb3jam4d9jm7e1v5m@4ax.com… > kez wrote: >>I fear you’re right and that there is no such thing as schizophrenia. > How does it matter? > — > Young, free and mostly harmless.
good point. we all know more or less what we’re going through, whatever it’s termed by the medical people — kez
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Nom De Plume: So, you’re back. Nom De Plume has a psychiatric website. He’s not one of us. These atypical antipsychotic drugs also block adrenergic receptor sites and thereby cause pneumonia in asthmatics. And, do you have any French background to justify this "Nom De Plume" alias? Real "witchcraft" has always been popular among the French, especially the Cajun Frence. I know. I have some French cousins in Louisiana to where I have have absconded in the past to escape commitment. http://community.webtv.net/mpereira/TheSecretsofthe
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Neurontin is truely an antipsychotic drug and it doesn’t put on weight or feel bad. Some people say Neurontin makes you sluggish; no, it gives me energy to do things right. Neurontin works by helping GABA (gamma-aminobutyricacid) block glutamate ("liquid fear") at the glutamate sites which are in 80% of the neurons. The drugs which are called "antipsychotic" drugs are actually psychotic drugs. They block dopamie, which is the neurotransmitter of the reward system, and thereby make life unbearable. And, lack of dopine is known to cause psychosis. My cousin and I know from experience. We took care of her father, my uncle, who had Parkenson’s disease; and, he hallucinated. And blocking seratonin is what LSD does to cause its psychosis. The psychoss called schizophrenia is often caused by the cholinergic nervous system. If it were blocked enough to stop psychosis you would be totally paralyzed. Cholinergic psychosis can occur by the cholinergic stimulation of the parasympathetic nervous system. This is the secret purpose of yoga. By esoteric definition there is no "witchcraft" without it. Any injury in or around the "muscarinic" parasympathetic nervous system excites the whole muscarinic nervous system. These neurons are called muscarinic due to the fact that the hallucinary drug called muscarine (soma) causes psychosis by specificly exciting these neurons. This condition, analogous to RSD (reflux sympathetic dystrophy), is kept secet in the "free world", but in the old Soviet Union it was called Shamans’ disease. Also, the death of inibitory neurons causes psychosis by leaving the brain freedom to more extensively awaken. By selective evolution it was expedient for these inhibitory neurons to die first, for, their death didn’t prevent the passing on of genes. It has been a tremendous injustice to suppress and silence those who thorough injury and death of inhibitory neurons, from any cause, even military service, have gained expanded consciousness. It has been justified by the "Billy Bud" myth that the inocent must suffer for the continuation of "civilization" which is actually nothing more than the secrecy of the "Sacred Mysteries". Societies where this natural knowledge is open public knowledge, the right to "know thyself", are what is officially called "barbaric" societies. We coluld have everything the same, with all our modern coveniences, and still have a "barbaric" society, by THEIR definition. Let’s do it. http://community.webtv.net/mpereira/TheSecretsofthe
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overdoses oh right that explains their attitude keep it going dude, — kez "Lothar Swordfist" <lothar.s…@sci.fi> wrote in message
news:gq8ad1psndt5s2fpdrrcun7hp2j6v636hj@4ax.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> kez wrote: >>It’s the same here in the UK, they’re quite reluctant to give out sleeping >>pills. > My psychiatrist is reluctant because of the overdozes I’ve taken. >>Benzodiazapines are also really hard to get from doctors > Same thing with them, and sometimes I feel really axitated and I know > those would help, but I can’t get them. > — > Young, free and mostly harmless.
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"Lothar Swordfist" <lothar.s…@sci.fi> wrote in message
news:vd7ad19uliuj4v0q4a20enve92nbcqli0l@4ax.com… > kez wrote: >>You’re thinking of going in just to get some sleep? That’s cool but what >>if >>you got some zopiclone instead mate > I know it doesn’t fit for me, they wouldn’t even suggest it to me, and > as it’s open ward I can perfectly refuse. Besides, since my psychiatrist > wouldn’t give me a recept for any kind of sleeping drug, they probably > realize that such drugs can’t work for me, as my regular psychiatrist > just won’t give me those. It would be moot to give me a drug that I > can’t get normally at out-treatment. > — > Young, free and mostly harmless.
It’s the same here in the UK, they’re quite reluctant to give out sleeping pills. It’s usually easier if you’ve had them before. I first was given nitrazipam and later zopiclone when I was in hospital, probably to stop me from being restless at night and get out of the staff’s hair (!), but later on I could ask for it and say I’d had it before and it worked OK. Then the doctor would give me some sleeping pills. Benzodiazapines are also really hard to get from doctors — kez
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"Lothar Swordfist" <lothar.s…@sci.fi> wrote in message
news:gb9ad1lem1clmdmt3jfehvbcd8cmvqn6hc@4ax.com… > kez wrote: >>overdoses oh right that explains their attitude >>keep it going dude, > I mean specially zopiclone makes me drunk, and then I take more. > Specially bad if I don’t fall asleep before I get the drunkness effect. > — > Young, free and mostly harmless.
have you tried herbals like Valerian? You can get it from the shops and it’s legal and safe — kez
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"Lothar Swordfist" <lothar.s…@sci.fi> wrote in message
news:me5ad1lehc7lkv1gho81l5n4iilacq0ot9@4ax.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Michael A. Pereira wrote: >> Neurontin is truely an antipsychotic drug and it doesn’t put on >>weight or feel bad. Some people say Neurontin makes you sluggish; no, it >>gives me energy to do things right. Neurontin works by helping GABA >>(gamma-aminobutyricacid) block glutamate ("liquid fear") at the >>glutamate sites which are in 80% of the neurons. >> The drugs which are called "antipsychotic" drugs are actually >>psychotic drugs. They block dopamie, which is the neurotransmitter of >>the reward system, and thereby make life unbearable. > Schizophrenia is not exactly known and defined illness, it’s a group of > symtoms. You can get those group of symtoms from all kinds of things. I > got it from sleeping problems. Easing the symtoms, it’s not about > getting more of type X, or less of type Y, it’s about getting a right > balance. > Lately, I’ve had the symtoms of feeling happiness. I don’t know if I’ve > felt happy, but I’ve acted like it. I’ve had energy. Strangely, I slept > only 5 hours. I wish to sleep more, I’ll see the the psychiatrist > tomorrow, and maybe I could go sleeping to the open ward, it’s a lot > cooler there. The social service pays 14 days at the ward, and maybe the > ideas of new doctor might find a better sollution to my sleeping > problems. I slept there one night..hm..was it a month, or > two..ago..hm..there..and there was..hm..aham..nothing..really.. > — > Young, free and mostly harmless.
You’re thinking of going in just to get some sleep? That’s cool but what if you got some zopiclone instead mate — kez
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It is no wonder there is a weight gain involved with taking the antipsychotic medications that block dopamine. Dopamine is involved in the stress systems of the body as a message. Blocking dopamine only causes more stress. Stress increases fat cells and therefore weight gain, and mostly fat. Although there is a good purpose in this process, fat increases protein building in the body, an important part of body structures. http://www.answers.com/dopamine — Stuart J. Shillinglaw Muskrat oil good stuff?
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They haven’t even figured out how normal weight regulation works, much less how various drugs disrupt the regulatory process. "Stuart J. Shillinglaw" <stuart.shilling…@shaw.ca> wrote in message news:Xns9690619B898D6stuartshillinglawnew@24.66.94.159… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> It is no wonder there is a weight gain involved with taking the > antipsychotic medications that block dopamine. Dopamine is involved in the > stress systems of the body as a message. Blocking dopamine only causes more > stress. Stress increases fat cells and therefore weight gain, and mostly > fat. Although there is a good purpose in this process, fat increases > protein building in the body, an important part of body structures. > http://www.answers.com/dopamine > — > Stuart J. Shillinglaw > Muskrat oil good stuff?
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Lothar Swordfist <lothar.s…@sci.fi> put to writing: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Stuart J. Shillinglaw wrote: > A lot has been talked about stress and schitzophrenia, how we can’t > handle so much stress. >>It is no wonder there is a weight gain involved with taking the >>antipsychotic medications that block dopamine. Dopamine is involved in >>the stress systems of the body as a message. >> Blocking dopamine only causes more >>stress. > I don’t know about that, perhaps, but in any case also eases the > symptoms of stress. As for gaining weight, they do it at least through > increasing a lot of appetite and removing the feeling of being > satisfied, and *maybe* by slowing down metabolism. I believe, > generally speaking, it’s only a good idea to block dopamine in acute > psychosis, as preemptive medication it’s IMO overkill, because it > takes away rewards of life. If you can’t live a full life, what’s the > point of living.
Over eating is a stress response and I agree that food is a great part of life, but overeating regularly pushes my limits. My food consumption while taking olanzapine was not always healthy and I often found the food disgusting, but still kept eating. — Stuart J. Shillinglaw
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Stuart, I don’t like anatomy books anymore. I prefer not cut, when I attempt to heal others. I once "played" some type for someone next door. Disbelief. Osmosis. Honesty. Need. Pope. Share. Loaves and fishes. Daniel Urtiz "Know thyself." — Socrates.
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Stuart I have found that the antipsychotic meds cause weight gain but I can’t function without them. I get too crazy. Before I was on medication, I was skinny and could eat whatever I wanted. I gained a lot of weight on olanzapine but lost it when I switched meds. Now, I am on geodon which causes less weight gain but I’m still not as thin as I used to be. penguin
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Dopamine blockers, although they only block dopamine, the neurotransmitter of the reward system, block metabolsm, and thereby fuffill a spurious general systems defnition of such an effect, thereby adding extra statstical weight to its confirmation. The universe may be viewed as a sea of opposite polarities, striving to merge and cancel out, which is called the "astral light". "The sugre is the urge to merge", if you get my drift. When there is a fast polarity cancellation rate, PCR, it is called a "quickened astral light", and it feels good. It’s when your dopamine is surging. Also, all chemical reactions are faster, including metabolism. But, when PCR is slow it is called a "bound astral light", and it feels miserable. In the "society" I used to live in, when we met we would ask, "How are you today?", and the other would either answer, "I have a quickened astral light today (I feel good)", or, "I have a bound asral light today (I feel miserable)". Dopamine blockers bind your astral light, therefore, of course, your metabolism is going to be bound and you’re going to get fat. http://community.webtv.net/mpereira/TheSecretsofthe
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LSD is a strong seratonin blocker. Seratonin is the neurotransmitter of the inhibitory neurons that keep 90% of the brain inactive. Psychiatric personel want to keep their soft, high paying jobs; and, drug companies want to sell their poisons. THEY want you psychotic and THEY want to keep you that way. Parkenson’s disease shows that dopamine deprivation cases psychosis. We know that blocking enough seratonin with LSD can cause psychosis, the hallucinary state that has been defined as psychosis. "The Adventure of Self Discovery" available from http://www.holotropic.com shows us that it is the cholinergic neurons in the brain, that when being allowed to awaken by seratonion blockers or excited by parasympathetic stimuation (heavy yoga) causes awareness in the realm between "normal" concsciousness and coma, a realm that has been called the Underworld. It may be called hallucinary but it is a real place, here, but in a fifth dimensional dimension. Virgil in his "Aenied" said, "You cannot enter the Underworld without the Golden Bough (the vagus nerve)". "But, the road to Averness is easy", especially if you ain’t got "any", as Damo said. And, thereby, in this culture, it became the scheme of the universe. http://community.webtv.net/mpereira/TheSecretsofthe
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The newer antipscyhotics also block leptin, which is a hormone that has something to do with fat regulation. I wish they would invent a med that doesn’t make you gain weight. penguin
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I have absolutely no idea if this would work, be useless, or be dangerous, but I wonder if increasing norepinephrine concentration would help boost your metabolic rate and decrease your weight. I haven’t heard of anyone taking Strattera or Edronax along with an antipsychotic, but it would be interesting to know the answer. — Nom dePlume, Ph.D. Why, yes, in fact, I am a rocket scientist. Guide to Medications for Mental Illness: http://www.geocities.com/nomdeplume1000/ ===== "Penguin A" <kol…@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:28574-42D37087-574@storefull-3172.bay.webtv.net… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Stuart > I have found that the antipsychotic meds cause weight gain but I can’t > function without them. I get too crazy. > Before I was on medication, I was skinny and could eat whatever I > wanted. I gained a lot of weight on olanzapine but lost it when I > switched meds. Now, I am on geodon which causes less weight gain but > I’m still not as thin as I used to be. > penguin
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interesting post — kez "Michael A. Pereira" <mpere…@webtv.net> wrote in message news:8478-42D4E3DE-1304@storefull-3135.bay.webtv.net… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Neurontin is truely an antipsychotic drug and it doesn’t put on > weight or feel bad. Some people say Neurontin makes you sluggish; no, it > gives me energy to do things right. Neurontin works by helping GABA > (gamma-aminobutyricacid) block glutamate ("liquid fear") at the > glutamate sites which are in 80% of the neurons. > The drugs which are called "antipsychotic" drugs are actually > psychotic drugs. They block dopamie, which is the neurotransmitter of > the reward system, and thereby make life unbearable. And, lack of dopine > is known to cause psychosis. My cousin and I know from experience. We > took care of her father, my uncle, who had Parkenson’s disease; and, he > hallucinated. And blocking seratonin is what LSD does to cause its > psychosis. > The psychoss called schizophrenia is often caused by the > cholinergic nervous system. If it were blocked enough to stop psychosis > you would be totally paralyzed. Cholinergic psychosis can occur by the > cholinergic stimulation of the parasympathetic nervous system. This is > the secret purpose of yoga. By esoteric definition there is no > "witchcraft" without it. Any injury in or around the "muscarinic" > parasympathetic nervous system excites the whole muscarinic nervous > system. These neurons are called muscarinic due to the fact that the > hallucinary drug called muscarine (soma) causes psychosis by specificly > exciting these neurons. This condition, analogous to RSD (reflux > sympathetic dystrophy), is kept secet in the "free world", but in the > old Soviet Union it was called Shamans’ disease. > Also, the death of inibitory neurons causes psychosis by leaving > the brain freedom to more extensively awaken. By selective evolution it > was expedient for these inhibitory neurons to die first, for, their > death didn’t prevent the passing on of genes. > It has been a tremendous injustice to suppress and silence those > who thorough injury and death of inhibitory neurons, from any cause, > even military service, have gained expanded consciousness. It has been > justified by the "Billy Bud" myth that the inocent must suffer for the > continuation of "civilization" which is actually nothing more than the > secrecy of the "Sacred Mysteries". Societies where this natural > knowledge is open public knowledge, the right to "know thyself", are > what is officially called "barbaric" societies. We coluld have > everything the same, with all our modern coveniences, and still have a > "barbaric" society, by THEIR definition. Let’s do it. > http://community.webtv.net/mpereira/TheSecretsofthe
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Yes THEY have figured out how normal weight regulation works. THEY just haven’t allowed the public to know anything about it. Of course we know that a sluggish thyroid slows metabolism and thereby causes weight gain. I posted here before about the long "general systems explaination" of how dopamine blockers cause weight gain. The general scheme of this "general systems" approach is posted in http://groups.yahoo.com/group/alchemy61/ by Dr. Lahunkun. http://community.webtv.net/mpereira/TheSecretsofthe
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